Rebirth Year Seventeen (Part 1)

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(January 2019 to June 2019)
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–Nightwing Vol. 4 #50
Early January. It’s now been four months since Nightwing was shot by KGBeast. For the past couple weeks, Dick—still an amnesiac with no prior attachments, and still going by the name “Ric”—has spent his days and nights drinking heavily and hanging-out at a local dive bar in Blüdhaven. In this duration, he’s also had several blackouts, waking up in completely random places following each episode. Cut to now. Babs tries, as she’s been doing for months, to reconnect with Ric, who is now moonlighting as a taxi cab driver (working for a guy named Burl). She accompanies him to his haunt, the aptly named Prodigal Bar (which is tended by Ric’s new friend and soon-to-be lover Beatrice “Bea” Bennett). At the Prodigal Bar, Ric gives Babs the brush-off, as he’s been doing, choosing to embrace his new life and new friends. Later, in the Batcave, Batgirl, in tears, reports to Batman and Alfred. A stoic but clearly saddened Batman says that maybe it’s better to let Dick go, that he might be benefit from a fresh start. Meanwhile, in Blüdhaven, a man is found murdered with a crow’s feather in his hand. Scarecrow has moved to Blüdhaven. Ric goes to his Nightwing HQ and burns it to the ground. Everything is destroyed except for his old superhero costumes, which are preserved behind fireproofed antimony-fused glass.

–REFERENCE: In Batman Vol. 3 #86-87Batman Vol. 3 #93, and Batman Vol. 3 #95. Bruce convinces the State House of Representatives to override a regulatory board, allowing Wayne Enterprises to enter into wide-sweeping new construction projects across Gotham City. With red tape cleared, Bruce decides to move Wayne Enterprises HQ to a brand new campus in Gotham’s Tricorner Yards neighborhood. Bruce forms the Wayne Enterprises Rebuild Committee, which oversees the start of construction on both the new campus and various other projects, including a new police HQ (complete with a high-tech prison wing). Not wanting it to be a monopoly, Bruce puts out a call for competing visions for the new city. These “Wayne Rebuild Project” buildings will continue construction through the rest of the calendar year. Secretly, Batman and Lucius Fox begin building The Hibernaculum, a new Bat Bunker that will be in a sub-sub-basement beneath the new Tricorner Yards campus. This bunker, which will include an autonomous tech-building factory, won’t be ready until the very end of the year. Already seeing the future, Batman and Lucius Fox begin coming up with new designs for vehicles and weaponry. Bruce also draws up blueprints to have his Tricorner Yards office look exactly like his study in Wayne Manor. Additionally, Batman and Lucius begin construction on five Micro-Batcaves in the main building at Tricorner Yards.

–REFERENCE: In Justice League Vol. 4 #41. Batman already has sonic weaponry in his utility belt, but he now designs and adds a voice-activated sonic weapon—called the “aural spike”—directly into his costume.

–REFERENCE: In Detective Comics #1009. As one of the more eco-friendly conglomerates in the world, Wayne Enterprises is invited to attend the upcoming Singapore Climate Change Summit.

–FLASHBACK: From Justice League Vol. 4 #40. Batman goes on an unspecified mission, which starts out in the Batplane. Not needing the plane upon arriving at his destination, Batman has Alfred remote-pilot it back home.

–Detective Comics #1000 Part 8
February—Bruce’s birthday. Alfred gets Batman a birthday cake, which he serves to him in the Batcave. Batman blows out the candles and makes a wish for a happy future. Daydreaming, Batman imagines a future where the Bat-Family consists of his actual family—Selina, Damian, a daughter named Echo, and Ace the Bathound II. One can only dream.

–Detective Comics #994-996 (“MYTHOLOGY”)
February—Bruce’s birthday. Every year Batman runs Program 2.1, placing himself into a virtual world that pushes him to his most extreme limits. This year, he wants the greatest challenge ever. Thus, he upgrades Program 2.1, splicing villain DNA into the system and updating it with all his most recent personal information available. Also, Batman makes it so that when he goes into the simulation vat, it will completely overwhelm his mind, making him think it is truly a reality more so than ever before. In this year’s nightmarish sim, the Caped Crusader investigates corpses that have been surgically-altered to look exactly like his parents. Batman then saves Leslie Thompkin’s life from a monster only to find that she has become Jokerized. As Batman rushes her to the Batcave for emergency treatment, the weary and confused Leslie gives words of encouragement to her surrogate son, recalling the day his parents’ died. (She says he was eight, but he was actually ten. Authors have said both in the Rebirth Era, so I can’t fault her—or Tomasi—for getting it wrong either. Plus, she is jacked-up on Joker Juice and this is a simulation.) Leslie dies on the operating table. Another creature breaks into Wayne Manor and stabs Alfred in the chest. While Bruce and Damian have barely interacted lately, Batman agrees to bury the hatchet and call-in his son to care for the injured Alfred. After Batman beats up everyone in Arkham Asylum, he and Damian assume that Henri Ducard must be behind the attacks. Batman tells Damian that they have to re-connect as father and son and put their mini-feud to rest, to which Damian responds positively. Soon after, the Dark Knight finds Ducard in Paris, but Ducard sacrifices his own life, blowing-up another monster with a grenade. Batman then goes to North Korea to check-up on his old sensei Kirigi. There, the Caped Crusader finds all of Kirigi’s students slaughtered, except for Kyodai Ken (a canon-immigrant from Batman the Animated Series). After besting Kyodai Ken, Batman cares for his master. Then it’s off to New Mexico to check-up on the original Mr. Miracle, Thaddeus Brown.

–Detective Comics #997-999 (“MYTHOLOGY” Conclusion)
February. Batman’s nightmare simulation continues. Batman and Thaddeus Brown are submerged into a tank filled with sharks and piranhas, but they escape. They then defeat another monster shapeshifter. Soon after, Batman strikes-out at Hugo Strange, but ultimately discovers that he has nothing to do with the creatures. Bruce then dons his Hellbat-suit and visits Jason Blood’s curio shop to find yet another monster attacking Etrigan. Batman defeats the creature and saves Etrigan, who morphs back into Jason. Batman then travels to STAR Labs to meet with Dr. Silas Stone, who reveals himself to be another shapeshifter, taking down Batman and morphing into a young Bruce Wayne wearing an ill-fitting Bat-costume. Batman fights his doppelgänger, who grows to adult size as he monologues about Batman’s war on crime. Batman realizes that he is in his own Program 2.1 sim. The fight stops and Batman buries his demons (the little demoniacal version himself) in an open grave next to his parents’ graves in the cemetery adjacent to the Wayne Manor property. Batman wakes up and smashes his way out of the sim tank to find a worried Alfred and Damian waiting for him. (Damian hasn’t spoken with his father in about five months, so it’s nice to see him finally willing to recompense.) Batman suits up and reviews the recent annual murder rate numbers for Gotham City. Later, Bruce, Alfred, and Leslie Thompkins go out for dinner.

–Detective Comics #1000 Part 1
Batman continues the now sixteen-year-old “David Lambert’s looking glass case,” following recent clues to an apartment in downtown Gotham. There, Batman finds a hidden stairwell and descends into a library to find the Guild of Detection waiting for him! Finally, after sixteen long years, Batman has solved the mystery of Lambert’s looking glass. Slam Bradley introduces himself along with the current Guild lineup—Martian Manhunter, Detective Chimp, Elongated Man, Sue Dibny, Hawkman, Hawkgirl, a returning Question (Vic Sage), and two unnamed others. (Yes, there are two Questions now.) Batman is stunned to learn that this group has been leading him on a wild goose chase just as a challenge. Now officially a member of the organization, Batman is told everything. The library in which he stands holds files upon files of unsolved cases, many of which are supernatural or celestial (i.e. cosmic) in nature. Some of the texts are ancient. Batman, like a kid in a candy store, is welcomed with open arms and invited to peruse the Borgesian hall of books.

–Detective Comics #1000 Part 4
Batman gets detailed intel on an archly dangerous terror cell, after which he discovers their hideout in a Gotham warehouse. After lining the inside of the warehouse with non-lethal explosives and setting their destruct codes to link-up with the Bat-computer network in his costume, Batman crashes in and kicks ass. The leader of the terror cell is so scared when Batman approaches him that he turns over a dirty bomb detonator in tears and without a fight.

–Detective Comics #1000 Deluxe Edition Part 12
Batman finished routine patrol and is so “in the zone” that he sits down for breakfast at Wayne Manor while still wearing his Bat-costume. Batman goes to change in the Batcave but gets a police report that an escaped Two-Face has supposedly formed a pact with Mad Hatter, the Ventriloquist (with Scarface), Killer Croc, and Penguin. After taking down each super-villain in order, Batman realizes that they aren’t working with Two-Face. The latter has set them all up to take a Bat-beating because they all beat Harvey Dent in court way back in the day. Batman meets a waiting Two-Face at Demarco’s, which was Harvey Dent’s favorite restaurant before he became a super-villain. The Harvey Dent side of Two-Face allows Batman to bring him to justice. Batman then returns home to finally eat his breakfast.

–REFERENCE: In Doomsday Clock #2 and Doomsday Clock #5. Geneticist Dr. Helga Jace and a team of international scientists publicly release preliminary findings as part of an ongoing study into what they call the “Supermen Theory.” Jace and company have reason to believe that the concentration of worldwide metahumans existing primarily in the United States isn’t aleatory. Jace also releases findings that show that the proliferation of superhuman activity over the past ten to fifteen years—especially in America—has been the direct result of a secret US Government program. Jace claims further that many US superheroes and super-villains alike are actually government agents, playing out predetermined roles, or lab experiments designed to be living weapons of mass destruction. Troubled by this possibility, Bruce begins putting a profusion of money into metagene research at Wayne Enterprises. He also purchases Dayton Labs from its owner, Steve Dayton (aka Mento). Likewise, Lex Luthor also begins pouring money into metagene research and the acquisition of new science-and-tech companies. (NOTE: Based upon supplemental material in Doomsday Clock #2, this item occurs about six months prior to Metamorpho and Dr. Kirk Langstrom getting outed as government agents and the start of Lex Luthor ramping up his anti-metahuman campaign. We can and should take this six months as gospel. However, the dates attached to the supplemental material in Doomsday Clock #2, which hint at June 2017, must be ignored. Brian Michael Bendis’ meta opening splash page from Action Comics #1002, which occurs in summer 2018 and references the Superman Theory, must also be ignored.)

–REFERENCE: In Batman Vol. 3 #85. Batman takes Scarface away from the Ventriloquist, storing the puppet with his old master, the Memory of the Mountain.

–Detective Comics #1001-1003 (“MEDIEVAL”)
The Arkham Knight and her elite team of warrior knights known as The Knights of the Sun make their debut by activating a device that causes all the bats in Gotham to drop dead. After examining the dead bats in the Batcave, Batman visits Francine Langstrom. Francine is journaling about the bat-massacre and mentions that she once became She-Bat “several years ago.” In Rebirth Era continuity, Francine became She-Bat one time indeed—in Harley Quinn Vol. 3 #35, about two years ago. Francine injects herself with Man-Bat Serum, turning into She-Bat and raging wildly. Batman is pulled across town by She-Bat to the zoo. There, Batman injects her with anti-serum, reverting her back to normal. The Knights of the Sun then activate an artificial sun that brings daylight to the midnight hour. At the nearby Kane Castle mansion, the Arkham Knight and her warriors attack Batman. (The Arkham Knight’s attack upon Batman and Gotham is also referenced in Detective Comics #1000 Part 11.) After putting a dozen armor-piercing arrows into a tough-as-nails Batman, the Arkham Knight and her men stand down. Back home, Alfred patches up the injured Batman while Robin finds the bad guys—in scuba gear and a submarine—in the waterway connecting Gotham River to Aparo Bay. After getting knocked-out, Robin wakes up in a dungeon filled with hand-drawn Bat-tapestries. The Arkham Knight shows Robin a medieval-styled Robin costume and asks him to join the Knights of the Sun. Robin quickly escapes and ascends to the top of the dungeon, emerging in the heart of Arkham Asylum. The Arkham Knight unmasks and allows Robin to go free. Back home, Alfred tailors new armored costumes for Batman and Robin. Together, the Dynamic Duo goes after the Knights of the Sun! Upon arrival back at Arkham Asylum, Jeremiah Arkham greets the Dynamic Duo, revealing that the Arkham Knight is his thirteen-year-old daughter Astrid Arkham!

–Detective Comics #1004-1005 (“MEDIEVAL” Conclusion)
Jeremiah Arkham tells the Dynamic Duo his daughter’s super-villain origin story, specifically how she was practically raised by Batman’s rogues and blames Batman for the death of her mother. Not long after, on the outskirts of the city, Batman and Robin come face-to-face with the Arkham Knight and her warriors—the Knights of the Sun, Dr. Phosphorus, Anton Arcane, and Arcane’s UnMen. The Dynamic Duo defeat all their opponents and make their way into a nearby observatory where the Arkham Knight detonates an even stronger “day bomb” that blankets all of Gotham in blinding light. A sightless Batman is able to defeat the Arkham Knight and destroy her light machine. Everyone in Gotham, including Batman, will remain blind for several days. During this time, Robin, having had his eyes protected by diffusion lenses, guides Batman on nightly patrols until the Dark Knight’s sight returns.

–Detective Comics #1006-1007
Batman tracks some would-be bank robbers for two days before busting them in the act. Across town, Detective Jim Corrigan and his partner Tony Martinez have a late diner meal. (Corrigan mentions a major league baseball game, so it must be preseason or very early in the season.) The detectives depart to survey a murder scene only to be attacked by several dudes dressed up as the Spectre (members of The Cult of the Divine Hand). The real Spectre emerges from within Corrigan to fight the attackers, leaving Corrigan himself to attend to the fatally wounded Martinez. This allows the cultists to drug and kidnap Corrigan, leaving him separated from the Spectre. Their aim is to permanently separate the two via arcane ritual so that they can control God’s Wrath. The Spectre immediately collects Batman. Together, they examine the scene of the crime and Batman scans it using his new data-analysis device. In the Batcave, the Spectre finally tells Batman the truth about he and Corrigan, revealing that they are symbiotically linked. Batman and the Spectre go on a joint investigation that eventually takes them to an abandoned church. There, Batman and the Spectre free Corrigan, who helps them defeat the Cult of the Divine Hand. Re-bonded with the Spectre, Corrigan tells Batman that he is transferring back to the NYPD.

–REFERENCE: In Batman Vol. 3 #81. Batman discovers that Clayface (Basil Karlo) is still alive. He reaches out to Clayface and their relationship stays in a positive place.

–Detective Comics #1008
Joker sends out a public advertisement saying that he will be at Bolland Park. Peter Tomasi insinuates that Bolland Park is supposed to be the now-refurbished and gentrified amusement park from The Killing Joke. But Doomsday Clock #2 clearly shows that the abandoned amusement park from The Killing Joke is still rundown and condemned, so this cannot be that same place. Also, why anyone would go to the park when Joker has explicitly said he will be there is beyond me. Yet, the park is filled with people, all of whom have been forced to wear explosive clown bolo ties. Sigh. After Joker kills a few folks, Batman finally arrives. With so many hostages, Batman is forced to go on rides with Joker and listen to his absurd monologues. Eventually, Batman disarms the bolo ties and knocks Joker into the bay using his classic sonic bat-attracting device. Meanwhile, in the Gotham Pine Barrens, Lex Luthor offers to help an escaped Mr. Freeze bring his frozen wife back to life. (As referenced in Detective Comics #1013, Mr. Freeze has already had a new plan to rejuvenate Nora in the works for months now, but was missing the final piece to guarantee success.)

–REFERENCE: In Detective Comics #1018. Batman sees that serial offender Aaron Morton has been paroled, so he tails him. Batman warns Commissioner Gordon that he will surely return to a life of crime.

–Detective Comics #1009-1011
Batman busts numerous people while on routine patrol, during which Alfred tells him that he hasn’t taken a crimefighting break in over thirty days and that he has a Wayne Enterprises meeting in a few hours. After returning home and getting literally two minutes of sleep, Bruce is rudely awakened by Alfred and shuffled off to “day work.” In a Lucius Fox-led meeting about keeping Wayne Enterprises’ global carbon footprint low and keeping environmental standards high across the board, Bruce pretends like he’s not interested, but heartily approves Lucius’ green protocols. Bruce, Lucius, and the rest of the CEOs at the meeting then depart from a private airfield to go to the Singapore Climate Change Summit. While en route, Deadshot, who had disguised himself as the co-pilot, attempts to hijack the plane. Lightning strikes the plane, causing it to tailspin and crash onto a Pacific jungle island. Deadshot then holds the airplane crash survivors hostage. Bruce, who had been thrown from the plane, is taken in by two opposing soldiers, Hiroshi and Clarence, that have been stranded on the island since WWII (à la the films Hell in the Pacific or Kong: Skull Island). The elderly soldiers give Bruce a tattered flight suit and aviator mask. Covered in mud and with this makeshift costume, Batman returns to the site of the crash to rescue his people from Deadshot. With help from Hiroshi and Clarence, Batman chases Deadshot away from the hostages. Batman then defeats Deadshot in a fistfight. The next morning, Alfred arrives with a military rescue airlift. Bruce leaves a comm-link with Hiroshi and Clarence, who decide to stay on the island. A few days later, Batman drops books and supplies for Hiroshi and Clarence. The implication here is that Batman will regularly drop goodies for them, moving forward. While we likely won’t see it on our timeline, we should assume that the Dark Knight does so. Back in Gotham, Mr. Freeze is nearly ready to awaken his wife Nora, having been slowly resurrecting her using the tech Lex Luthor gave him. However, he needs to harvest a few damaged body parts from living subjects.

–Justice League Vol. 4 #19-21 (“THE SIXTH DIMENSION”)
The Justice League decides that it needs 5th Dimensional firepower to deal with the pending Legion of Doom/Perpetua situation, which could explode at any moment. Thus, under the guise of a Wayne Industries “air control experiment”—a giant dome is erected in midtown Metropolis. Under this dome, the magickally-disguised JL (with Starman) preps to entrap Mr. Mxyzptlk, who is due to arrive. Clark wraps up an article at work and joins the rest of the team just in time to witness Mxyzptlk emerge from his 5th Dimensional gateway. J’onn is able to telepathically control Mxyzptlk, who submits and agrees to help the JL. At the Hall of Justice, Mxyzptlk explains that everyone in the 5th Dimension has been dying since the Source Wall was destroyed. He also explains that the Monitor, Anti-Monitor, World Forger, and Perpetua created everything from the 6th Dimension. (The World Forge itself seems to co-exist in both the 6th Dimension and the Dark Multiverse.) Mxyzptlk opens a door to the 6th Dimension, through which Superman goes. Instantly, a gray-haired Superman wearing a weird white costume emerges back through, citing that he’s been gone for a decade, but now knows how to defeat the bad guys and save the multiverse. The JLers join this older Superman through the door, winding-up in an alternate future world where they are greeted by alternate future versions of themselves (6th Dimensional Batman, 6th Dimensional John Stewart, 6th Dimensonal Flash, 6th Dimensional Hawkgirl, 6th Dimensional Martian Manhunter, and 6th Dimensional Wonder Woman). Trickery is afoot, though. The real Superman remains trapped in a sun-less pocket dimension filled with corpses, all alone and unable to fly. Old Superman is really the resurrected World Forger (Alpheus), son of Perpetua, and brother to the Anti-Monitor and original Montior Mar Novu. (Alpheus, along with his family, created the entire multiverse! He helped imprison his evil mom long ago.). This alt-future world is merely a template, one of many possible futures, created by the World Forger from his anvil in the 6th Dimension. In this alt-future, the elder JL shows-off a utopian version of Earth where all crime has ended. The alt-future’s Batman, Dick Grayson, tells Batman how the their version of Bruce Wayne sacrificed his life to ensure the peace they now have. Alt-Dick gives Batman a tour of the Pennyworth Home rehabilitation center. As Hawkgirl and Martian Manhunter admire the scenery, Shayne J’onzz (the son of their alt-future counterparts) pulls back the curtain, revealing a hidden aspect of this reality—a gulag (on Apokolips) filled with over a trillion detainees. J’onn, Hawkgirl, and Shayne call the JL to an emergency meeting, but it is interrupted by Old Superman, who has just confronted Superman, telling him that he’s been imprisoned because he will be the cause of the destruction of the multiverse. Old Superman reveals himself to be Alpheus. Meanwhile, on Earth, Lex Luthor and Brainiac begin a plan to capture Mxyzptlk, causing the imp to lose control and grow to immense size. as Mzyzptlk begins unconsciously un-imagining Earth into non-existence, Starman, Mera, and Jarro try to contain him. (A cute visual reference in Justice League Vol. 4 #29 tells tale of Jarro “officially” joining the JL.) In the alt-future, Alpheus tells the JL that, in order to preserve the utopia that he has shown them, their alt-future counterparts engaged in a pre-emptive war to defeat the Legion of Doom. This war saw the JL travel the multiverse and imprison trillions into the gulag. The JL takes a vote on whether or not to go down Alpheus’ unethical but sure-footed path towards semi-utopia by allowing the future reality to re-write their own. Everyone votes hell no except for Batman, citing that all hope seems lost. A disappointed Alpheus teleports the JL to the Apokoliptian gulag where they meet its wardens: an aged 6th Dimensional Lois Lane and 6th Dimensional Jimmy Olsen.

–Justice League Vol. 4 #23-25 (“THE SIXTH DIMENSION” Conclusion)
Warden Lois Lane of the Apokoliptian gulag tells the JL—sans Batman—that she is originally from another alternate universe that the World Forger (Alpheus) created. Warden Lane says that she’s seen many alternate worlds and that this one is a template for the best possible scenario. The JLers present refuse to believe this, fight back, and wind up behind bars. Meanwhile, Batman chats with Alpheus, who tells him that this future world must replace Universe-0—in order to please (and fool) the Judges of the Source. Or something like that. Alpheus reveals that, at this very moment on Earth-0, Bat-Mite is battling Mxyzptlk, who is currently slowly erasing Universe-0 from existence, after which he (Alpheus) will replace Universe-0 with the alt-future world template. With Superman being the only real threat to stopping this from happening, Alpheus instructs Batman to pull the execution switch on his friend—an act that will shut down the artificial suns dimly lighting the Man of Steel’s pocket universe prison, effectively killing him and sending his essence into Alpheus himself. Reluctantly, Batman pulls the switch. In the gulag, Shayne uses his explosive mental powers to destroy the entire building. This leads to a bunch of angry alt-future super-villains chasing after the JL. The JL is rescued by an alt-future Legion of Doom that is led by an alt-future Darkseid! Meanwhile, Alpheus shows Batman the Son Box, a Minority Report-type chamber that Batman’s alt-future counterpart built to determine who would side with him or against him. Alpheus also shows Batman the “Final Bat-Suit,” an ultimate Gundam-style war-mech, also devised by the deceased alt-future Batman, which has the power to brainwash people and rewrite people’s cellular structure. The alt-future LOD sacrifices their own lives to help the JL escape recapture. Back at the alt-future Hall of Justice, the JL faces-off against their alt-future doppelgängers, Alpheus, and Batman, who dons his menacing Final Bat-Suit. The JL fights against the future JL, Batman, some future Flash Family members, and Alpheus. Batman has a change of heart and betrays the 6th Dimensional forces, using his Gundam-suit to create a fake sun, which not only re-powers Superman, but provides a guiding light for him to follow. Superman shows up angry as hell and kicks everyone’s asses. Alpheus tells the JL that he’s seen every possible outcome from the 6th Dimension. He tells them they’ve doomed their world by their actions—as revealed in Justice League Vol. 4 #29, by witnessing and denying his alt-future, they have unleashed the sixth Dark Force, which is linked to visions of impossible futures. However, Batman and Superman tell Alpheus that there’s still another possible outcome, one where they come out on top. They recruit Alpheus into the JL and return home with him (and Shayne) to challenge the Legion of Doom. But upon arrival back home, Washington DC is smoldering and partly in ruin. The heroes enter the Hall of Justice to learn that while only hours seemed to have passed in the 6th Dimension, a full week has transpired. Mera tells the returning heroes that the Legion of Doom defeated Mxyzptlk, after which Lex Luthor gave a public speech to the populace of the world. They watch a video of Luthor, who reveals to the world that the Source Wall was destroyed “a few short weeks ago.” This contradicts Year of the Villain #1 Part 3, which says the Source Wall was destroyed a “few months ago.” (The Source Wall was destroyed five months ago, so Luthor is lying here for whatever reason.) Luthor tells all that the JL has hidden the fact that the universe is dying, urging everyone to rise up and become villains in order to save themselves. Luthor says he is dissolving LexCorp and giving all his money and technology to certain unspecified people. As the video ends, Mera continues her narration of events. Luthor’s harangue and actions led to a week of global rioting and panic, which culminated in the events of Year of the Villain #1 Part 1, in which the LOD attacked President Trump and Amanda Waller in the Oval Office, stealing all of Waller’s top secrets. As part of a supposedly foolproof Perpetua-powered resurrection scheme that will cause the entire planet to fall under his power, Luthor then publicly killed himself, blowing up LexCorp Tower in the process. To prepare for the coming battle, the heroes decide that they must seek out the aid of the Monitor, Anti-Monitor, Justice Incarnate, and as many Earth-0 heroes as they can recruit. (The epilogue to “Sixth Dimension” takes place at the end of Year of the Villain #1 Part 3, a few days from now.)

–Year of the Villain #1 Part 3
Editorial notation tells us that the Source Wall was destroyed a “few months ago”—over five months ago to be exact. The Justice League enacts a monumental plan of action that involves saving several entire alien civilizations that are being threatened with extinction thanks to the destruction of the Source Wall. After helping these civilizations aboard massive arks, which fly them to safety, one veers dangerously off course thanks to a terrorist that would rather kill his people than ever face Perpetua and her “great minion.” The JL meets and decides that it must gather all of Earth’s superheroes in order to successfully deal with the threat. Meanwhile, in the Hall of Doom, the Legion of Doom gathers as Perpetua comes out of her inert state. (The Batman Who Laughs is shown secretly spying on them.) Perpetua’s plan of multiversial conquest/annihilation has begun. The deceased Lex Luthor floats in a tank, ready to be reborn as something new. As seen in the epilogue to Justice League Vol. 4 #25, at the Hall of Doom, thanks to Perpetua’s machinations, Luthor is indeed resurrected with cosmic power.

–Justice League Vol. 4 #26-28 (“APEX PREDATOR”)
The superheroes mobilize as the resurrected Lex Luthor, seemingly with godlike powers, makes his return public. Many refuse to believe that Luthor is indeed alive again. However, Luthor is very much alive. He begins making offers and handing out gifts of terror all over the planet. Global unrest ensues. Batman, Superman, John Stewart, Flash, and Wonder Woman travel to the former satellite domain of the original Montior, the House of Heroes, located in the Bleed-space between universes. There, with help from Harbinger and Justice Incarnate, the Earth-0 heroes put a call out to the multiverse. Soon, well over a hundred superheroes from throughout the local multiverse arrive, including Earth-2’s Wonders of the World (featuring Earth-2 Batman), Earth-4’s Pax Americana, the Earth-6 Justice League of America (featuring Earth-6 Wonder Woman), Earth-6 Shazam, Earth-8’s Retaliators, Earth-9 Atom, Earth-9 Superman, Earth-10’s Uncle Sam, Earth-11 Superwoman, Earth-12 Batman, the Earth-13 League of Shadows, Earth-16 Batman, Earth-17’s Atomic Knights of Justice, Earth-18’s Justice Riders, Earth-19’s Accelerated Man, Earth-19 Wonder Woman, Earth-19’s Bat Man, Earth-20’s Society of Super-Heroes, the Earth-21 Justice League of America, the Earth-22 Justice League (featuring Earth-22 Alan Scott, Earth-22 Superman, and Earth-22 Starman), Earth-22 Nightstar, Earth-22 Deadman, the Earth-23 Justice League, Earth-26’s Zoo Crew, Earth-29’s Unjustice League of Unamerica, Earth-30 Batman, Earth-30’s Soviet Superman, Earth-30 Flash, Earth-31’s Captain Leatherwing, Earth-31 Green Lantern, Earth-32’s Justice Titans, Earth-35’s Super-Americans, Earth-41’s Nimrod Squad, Earth-43 Batman, Earth-47’s Love Syndicate of Dreamworld, and Earth-48’s Royal Family of Warworld! Superman recruits them into the war against Perpetua and Luthor, citing that if Earth-0 falls, the rest of the multiverse will too. Alpheus tells everyone they will need to find his brothers, the Anti-Monitor and the Monitor. At the Hall of Justice, Hawkgirl and Mera oversee operations. The JL Science Division, the Question (Vic Sage), Detective Chimp, Plastic Man, Green Arrow, and John Constantine try to pinpoint the location of the hidden Hall of Doom. Hawkman, Black Canary, and Orphan act as coaches, training the Titans, Teen Titans (Djinn, Crush, Roundhouse, and Kid Flash), and Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes) for the upcoming war. Jarro and Starman attempt to find help from the distant past and future. Concurrently, Martian Manhunter searches for Luthor alone, following breadcrumbs to an abandoned shack in California. There, one of Professor Ivo’s androids (a Lionel Luthor lookalike) captures J’onn. Meanwhile, Superman, Batman, John Stewart, Wonder Woman, Flash, and Alpheus visit the desolate home-realm of the Monitors, Nil. As they walk about, Alpheus tells them the true history of the DCU’s reboots—the history of the “Metaverse,” if you will. After the original Monitor (Mar Novu) reluctantly joins their crusade, the heroes depart for Qward (in Universe-3), home to the Anti-Monitor (Mobius). In California, Professor Ivo (remotely, through a lookalike android of himself) explains that Lex Luthor hired him to replicate Perpetua’s old army of “apex predators” (i.e. her army of proto-Human-Martian hybrids). Hawkgirl, having tracked J’onn, rescues him. Together, they smash up a bunch of Amazos and find hundreds of incomplete “apex predators.” Hawkgirl calls into the Hall of Justice and orders a pick-up to place them all into safe-storage. A drone then appears and projects a live holographic video feed of Lex Luthor, who makes J’onn an offer. The next day, while the JL visits the planet Qward (in Universe-3) only to find a bunch of massacred Weaponers and a message from Mobius telling them not to look for him, J’onn meets with Lex at an old Legionnaire’s Club hideout (the very place he was once kidnapped to as a child). Lex shows J’onn video of some of the folks to whom he’s made other offers (or will soon make other offers to), including Jericho, Harley Quinn, Bane, Black Adam, Lobo, and more. Lex tells J’onn that they should merge into one being to become the ultimate “apex predator” hybrid of Perpetua’s dreams. When J’onn refuses, Lex absorbs J’onn into his body! Hawkgirl tries to fight Lex, but he holds her back behind a force field. Meanwhile, Sinestro, Cheetah, and Grodd confront the JL on Qward. With the odds stacked against them, the heroes retreat, teleporting back home.

–REFERENCE: In Adventures of the Super Sons #1. June—an editor’s note places this item before Superman Special Vol. 2 #1, meaning prior to Bendis’ Man of Steel. Damian and Jon finish the school year at West-Reeve. The boys mention that their parents are set to go on unspecified business for a couple weeks. I’m not sure what this is in reference to (or if it even is a reference to something). I’d assume that, even if plans were made, they likely get cancelled.

–REFERENCE: In Adventures of the Super Sons #12. June. When Robin and Superboy, having just recently finished the school year, are whisked away on an interdimensional adventure courtesy of the Hypercube (as seen in Adventures of the Super Sons #1-12), Batman and Superman become very concerned. However, Alfred is able to track the boys’ energy signatures and vital signs, ensuring Batman and Superman they are okay. Upon their return, the boys think weeks have passed, but in order to jibe with everything else on our timeline, only a few days could have passed. (The boys adventure did indeed last several weeks, but time was flowing differently throughout their interdimensional experience in comparison to the regular flow of time back on Earth-0.) To further muddle the chronology of this arc, when the boys return, Alfred tells them that months have passed and school is already about to begin again, implying that their adventure spanned the entire summer. Impossible! We just have to assume that Alfred, upon hearing that they clearly have no idea how long they’ve been gone for, is totally messing with them. Also, the entirety of Adventures of the Super Sons #1-12 is told by very unreliable narrators—an old Damien and old Jonathan—decades in the future (sometime in the 2070s). This is yet another reason we shouldn’t trust any dates attached to this item. To reiterate, the entirety of Adventures of the Super Sons #1-12 occurs now and spans only a few days.

–NOTE: In flashback from Man of Steel #1-6. June. Jor-El returns, visiting the Kents and demanding to take his grandson on a cosmic tour of the universe. Lois and Clark tell him to piss off, but Jonathan wants to go. After discussion, Lois agrees to go with Jonathan and Jor-El. After telling Perry White that she’s leaving for what could possibly be the entire summer, he fires her from The Daily Planet! Clark gives Lois his primary Superman costume, saying that it will protect her on her journey. This was originally meant to be writer Brian Michael Bendis’ cheeky way (no pun intended) of having Superman return to wearing his red trunks, but—thanks to the slowness of his writing style (having a single short arc come out over the course of a year-and-a-half-plus)—this cannot be the case as the Man of Steel has already been back in his red trunks for a full in-story year at this juncture.

–Man of Steel #3
June. A few days have passed since Man of Steel #6. Jon and Lois depart on their interdimensional/intergalactic tour with Jor-El, leaving a lonely Clark behind. Not long after their departure, Rogol Zaar, the monstrous alien warlord that claims to have destroyed Krypton, smashes into the Fortress of Solitude and completely destroys it—along with Kelex and the Bottle City of Kandor (including its many residents). Concurrently, in Metropolis, Superman, Batman, and Deputy Fire Chief Melody Moore investigate a series of arson fires. Superman and Supergirl respond to the destruction of the Fortress of Solitude, but soon find themselves face-to-face with Rogol Zaar in Metropolis.

–Man of Steel #5-6
June. While Superman fights Rogol Zaar in outer space, another arson fire breaks out in Metropolis, prompting Supergirl, the Green Lantern Corps, and the Justice League—which has just been made aware of the Rogol Zaar situation—to save the day in the ciy. On the dark side of the Moon, Rogol Zaar beats Superman to a pulp, leaving him unconscious. Supergirl collects Superman and the JL puts the Man of Steel into medical care at the Hall of Justice. After a quick recovery, Superman meets Rogol Zaar once again, this time at the molten center of the Earth. Superman flies Rogol Zaar back into outer space where Supergirl blasts him with the Phantom Zone Projector, casting him into imprisonment. Only Rogal Zaar’s WMD and his axe are left behind. Not long afterward, outside the rubble of the Fortress of Solitude, the Justice League, Supergirl, and Hal Jordon honor the millions of dead Kandorians in a funeral ceremony. Supergirl tells Superman that she will leave Earth to solve the mystery of Rogol Zaar. Superman tells Supergirl that he has no way of tracking Lois, Jon, and Jor-El. Later, teenager Darryl Conners—paid-off to lie by the actual arsonist, a gangster named Yogurt (John Bender)—walks into a Metropolis firehouse and tells Chief Melody Moore that he saw Superman start one of the fires. (As revealed via reference in Action Comics #1001, Action Comics #1004, and Superman Vol. 5 #7, Lois will soon secretly return to Earth to work on a book, leaving Jon to continue his tour with Jor-El alone. Clark will continue to think Lois is off-planet, but she’ll actually be at a hotel in Metropolis.)

–REFERENCE: In Action Comics #1002. The Justice League defeats a Star Conqueror (one of Starro’s alien starfish kin) in Seattle.[1]

–Justice League Vol. 4 #29
The Justice League names the unnamed Dark Forces. The fourth Dark Force, released when the Key to the Graveyard of the Gods was destroyed, is labeled as “The Void Wind.” Its opposite is The Sphere of the Gods. The fifth Dark Force, released when the Martian elder lifted the Absorbascon veil over Thanagar, is labeled as “The Black Apple.” Its opposite is the Collective Unconscious. The sixth Dark Force, released when the JL traveled to the 6th Dimension, is labeled as “The Sixth Note.” Its opposite is the Dimensional Superstructure. (The oppositional forces are first referenced in Justice League Vol. 4 #30.) The JL discusses the fact that Lex Luthor now has six of seven Dark Forces stored within his cosmic doorknob artifact. (The final Dark Force is still unknown, but it would give he and Perpetua power without finitude.) Batman meets with and checks-in with his fellow Justice Leaguers to draw up war plans. Hawgirl has fallen into a deep sadness. John Stewart says that nearly all of the Green Lantern Corp is ready to fight against Perpetua and the Legion of Doom. Wonder Woman says that the JLD and several gods are as well. The Monitor and the World Forger are off searching for their brother. Later, Jarro sees a vision of the JL being defeated by the Legion of Doom. Panicking, Jarro mind-controls all the heroes in the Hall of Justice and makes them see a shared illusion that they (along with Jarro in a tiny starfish-shaped Robin costume) have defeated their villainous rivals. Jarro’s plan is to take his friends to the O-World (home planet of the Star Conquerors) where he can keep them hidden away. Batman sees through the illusion and rips a Jarro-fish off of his face. Batman scolds Jarro, telling him that what he’s done is not the heroes way. Jarro releases everyone from the hallucination. Batman gives Jarro a loving hug. Elsewhere, Brainiac and Lex Luthor gloat. Thanks to a severed tentacle from the original Starro, which they have stored at the Hall of Doom, they were able to physically link to the Hall of Justice when Jarro took over everyone’s minds. The LOD now knows all of the heroes’ battle plans.

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  1. [1]COLLIN COLSHER: Brian Michael Bendis’ meta splash page in Action Comics #1002 contains a reference that tells us Superman chats with Batman and Wonder Woman about making improvements to Sanctuary. Bendis’ Action Comics meta opening page splashes are all non-canon, so this Trinity pow wow is technically out-of-continuity. However, this is so banal, it’s probably something that could easily have occurred (and likely is something the Trinity would have discussed at some point anyway). Up to you if you’d like to include it in your own personal headcanon. The audacious info-packed Action Comics #1002 splash also has a funny reference to Clark wanting to return Bruce’s wedding gift. Again technically non-canon, but I wonder what Bruce could possibly have given Lois and Clark that could be problematic enough to warrant returning over a decade later? LOL.

62 Responses to Rebirth Year Seventeen (Part 1)

  1. Martín Lel says:

    When would you place “Deathstroke: Arkham”? It’s confusing because the villain is Hugo Strange, but he’s seen out of Arkham in this Wednesday’s Detective Comics, which was published after Deathstroke.

    • I don’t stress too much about villains appearing and re-appearing in-and-out of prison. It just happens. They escape one day and go back the next day only to escape yet again. Such is the world of the DCU. In ‘tec Hugo is free. We can assume that he goes back to prison afterward (and we can assume he was in prison shortly before too). Thus, for placing “Deathstroke: Arkham,” I’d look towards Deathstroke’s other appearances in conjunction with Hugo’s. Deathstroke appears in Bendis’ “Batman: Universe” arc and in Drowned Earth. “Deathstroke: Arkham” has to be either before “Batman: Universe,” or in-between “Batman: Universe” and ‘tec, or in-between ‘tec and Drowned Earth. Hell, there’s even a slight possibility that it goes post-Drowned Earth.

  2. Antonio says:

    Hey Collin, how’s it going? Antonio here… Hope everything is going well in your life.
    I’d like to share some thouths with you. What do you think of Tom King’s Heroes In Crisis? I heard he’s receiving death threats…
    Now, I know there are some really bad nuts out there… you just can tell a guy you’re going to kill him just because he mistreated your favourite character!

    Anyway, I’d like to hear from you what you think of HIC… I think that with issue number 8 it reached to a point where one can finally say it is pure crap! It doesn’t make any sense to me… and honestly I think poor Wally just deserves better. I was totally in love with DC when they brought him back with Rebirth… but recently they just treated him incredibly poorly.

    Ok, and what about his entire Batman’s run? I don’t know… Tom King is giving me the same bad vibes that Bendis is giving me with his Superman’s run.
    All right, let me know, Collin.

    • I saw the death threats thing. It’s only comics, people, jeez. Not cool.

      But yeah. Heroes in Crisis sucks, no other way to say it. Most reviews have not been kind, nor should they. I’m hesitant to comment more than that since there’s still one more issue, so anything could happen. But it appears as though Wally’s character has been fully assassinated beyond the point of return. Even as a deep analysis/commentary of mental illness via the superhero genre, I’m still not into it.

      And I’ve been vocally critical of King’s run for quite some time now. I hated Vision, but I loved Grayson—so I wasn’t sure what I was going to get. Seventy issues into his run and I’m left feeling meh. There are some powerful individual moments, but as a whole it’s not very strong, especially compared to other long runs in Bat-history.

      Bendis was kinda-sorta born again upon his return to DC—I dig his energy and seeming willingness to consider all DC’s history canon (for better or worse). I hate that Jonathan is like seventeen now, but hopefully that will be reverted. And I’m still waiting for an answer as to how its possible for Impulse and Conner Kent to be back in-continuity without breaking every comic book law of physics that exists. “Leviathan Rising” and Naomi both have potential, so we’ll see. I think Tom King will probably phase himself out of superhero comics once he’s done with Batman, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Bendis gets the keys to the castle after that… for better or worse, as always with comics.

  3. Antonio says:

    Yeah, I forgot asking you what’s happening with young Justice!!! How’s that possibile? Which Conner are we having back??? And what about Tim..? It looks like they know each other and everyone, including Tim, is coming from modern age continuity, but that is impossible, referring to Tim, at least.
    I think Jon being 17 diminishes both his father’s character and his own character. A dumb move, pure and simple. But the worst thing about Bendis is how he writes Lois.
    Hopefully the Greg Rucka series is coming soon to give Lois what she deserves. Hopefully.

    Back to Batman I’ve heard rumors that King’s going to end his run with Selina finally saying YES to Bruce. I hope it’s true.

    • SPOILER: This week’s issue begins to address that situation. It’s kinda sorta the same explanation we got when Wally returned (and in Titans Hunt)—at some point Connor and company were exiled and erased from everyone’s memory.

      And if Selina and Bruce DO tie the knot—the only logical (and satisfying) conclusion to this 100+ issue arc—then maybe it’ll all have been worth it.

  4. Antonio says:

    OK Collin, How’s it going? Antonio here…
    I’ve got some questions about the black label stuff that DC is currently publishing. I mean… are they in continuity? DCeased… seems not to me.
    Last knight on Earth… seems not to me as well, but I read that Snyder said it is the natural conclusion of his batman’s run… which, for the most part (with the only exception of Year Zero, maybe) has been totally canon. So what??
    And how about Superman Year Zero by Frank Miller? Are we talking about the dark knight returns universe’s Superman or are canon-Superman’s origins being rewritten for the millionth time? Bah…

    Also… what about the Kents? Are they back..? Conner clearly used the present tense talking about Pa Kent… and I think Superman did the same talking about his mom…
    I think, but I’m not completely sure, Bendis answered some questions about that saying that things will be totally in place once Doomsday Clock is over. So, I guess at least Martha Kent will be brought back to life..? Does that mean that the Brainiac story and the death of Jonathan Kent is back in continuity? Also… will the Death of Superman return to its original version with the Kents and Conner?

    So sorry for annoying you, Collin. But you’re such an invaluable resource… 🙂
    P.S. How about the placement of all three Batman TMNT? The third one is kind of a strange one…

    • DCeased is out-of-continuity.
      Last Night on Earth is out-of-continuity. It continues Snyder’s “possible future Bruce-clones” storyline, but that storyline isn’t really canon either.
      Superman Year One is out-of-continuity—although, I literally made a joke to a friend last night that Dr. Manhattan is going to make this canon soon LOL.

      Basically, DC has always said that all Black Label stuff would be like Prestige Elseworlds, non-canon. The only exception (so far) will be Three Jokers, which will be canon.

      I’m not sure about the Kents, we’ll wait and see… Doomsday Clock could very well change things, and Bendis has already hinted at certain things. For now, technically, the Kents are still New 52 version—dead on prom night. I’ve chalked up Conner’s line about Pa Kent being due to the fact that he is partly cloned from Clark and might have some of Clark’s memories implanted into his mind. Still… very curious.

      All three Batman/TMNT series are canon. Although, the third one might only feature Batmen from alternate Earths. Again, we’ll have to wait and see how it ends.

  5. Antonio says:

    Thank you Collin, you’re such a kind human being.

  6. Antonio says:

    Holy Bat the site is back on!!! Thank you Collin!!!!

  7. Antonio says:

    Hey Collin, it’s Antonio. Glad the site is back on…
    Well, I have a question. Just finished reading Batman 75… and now Gotham is totally in Bane’s hands. Ok. Alt-Thomas Wayne is kicking asses and Bruce is down looking for the Memory of the Mountain. Hmmmm….
    But how about the ending of Batman 74? We had left Bruce and Alt Thomas down in the pit with Bruce defeating him and comin’ out of the chasm… I can’t understand.
    Please can you make things clearer for this below average guy from italy that I am??
    Thank you.

    P.S. : I Hate Tom King.

    • Glad it’s back too! Tom King has been a very polarizing figure, maybe the most polarizing figure in terms of lead Bat-writer in the past 25 years (topping Morrison and Snyder even). I think King can be a talented writer (see Grayson), but I think his pacing is way off and his plot choices are ho-hum. Bane has conquered Gotham before—from “Knightfall” to Forever Evil Arkham War, we’ve seen it before. Not to mention, we’ve seen “Hell Comes to Gotham” in some form or another over and over since the dawn of the Modern Age. It just doesn’t feel that original, which is a non-starter for me. The one thing (and, in my opinion, only thing) that King will hopefully deliver is the Bat-Cat marriage. I’m still looking forward to that, although, based upon what I’ve now seen for the past two years, I seriously worry about execution.

      King likes to include ellipses and have you fill-in the gaps yourself. He is big on this style of writing. So you get Batman defeating Flashpoint Batman, declaring that he isn’t broken, climbing out of the pit triumphantly… and then “later…” editorial notation followed by a broken Batman, a conquered Gotham, etc… Obviously, a lot of other stories—notably the JL, Year of the Villain, Event Leviathan stuff—goes before Batman #75, so the jump to “City of Bane” out of nowhere does read as very strange. Flashpoint Batman was supposed to be a big part of Bane’s plan. Yet, when Flashpoint Batman fails, Bane’s plan moves ahead anyway. What was the point of Flashpoint Batman? Maybe King will give us some flashbacks. We’ll see.

  8. Austin Eaton says:

    Hey Colin. Could you explain what each of the known hidden forces are and their counterparts? I’m a bit confused.

  9. Martín says:

    I know it doesn’t make sense with any other title other than Batman, but I’m pretty sure the ending of The Fall and the Fallen was supposed to be that Thomas stepped out, not Bruce, and that leads directly into City of Bane.

    • There is a serious disconnect between #74 and #75, and while some might argue that it’s King’s signature writing style, putting in random ellipses here and there, I’d argue that it’s simply slapdash writing. #74 is the story of Bruce crawling out of the pit—both literally and metaphorically. That was the set-up and the delivery. If it’s not Bruce that emerges, it’s a cheap twist, the cheapest twist imaginable. I wouldn’t put it past Tom “Swerve” King. But, Martín, it certainly would make a hell of a lot more sense as to how we go from #74 straight into City of Lame… er City of Bane.

      I’m waiting for the inevitable flashback issue that undoubtedly will cast light on what happened way down in the hole. If it ever comes, it won’t be too hard to shuffle things around. After all, King’s strong suit (if he even has one) was certainly never continuity. On first read, I myself stared at that final panel of #74 trying to determine WHOSE GLOVE COULD IT BE? We’ll find out one day soon enough. Thanks for your insight!

  10. diego2024 says:

    hello colin !! I am impressed by your talent to organize so many chronological data. Every day I visit this page (15-20 times a day), but I did not find an option to receive notifications for updates (my method is very silly … I inspect year by year) is there an option or something similar?

    If you saw any mistake in my text, it’s because … I’m Argentine haha

    • Hi Diego, thanks for visiting so often! I used to have a manual change-log on the site, but it was too difficult to keep up to date since changes happen a lot, so I scrapped it. I’ll look into change-log plug-ins for WordPress, but I’m not sure any of them are front-end facing. Plus, I’m hesitant to attach a third-party plug-in, because it could lead to site issues and glitches.

      I’ll look into a solution for this though. You certainly aren’t the first person to make this observation/request.

  11. Austin Eaton says:

    Hey, Colin. How’s it going? I’m sure you’ve already talked about this somewhere on the website, but how do we know that DC doesn’t operate on a sliding timescale like Marvel does where every four or so years is one year?

    • Hey Austin, there’s nothing concrete indicating DC has been using a sliding-timescale. In fact, last time DC definitively was using one (as could be gleaned via temporal info in the comics and by publisher interviews) was around 2002. But even then, DC’s use of Sliding-Time was different from Marvel’s, which, as you’ve noted quite correctly, always vaguely places everything in it’s past a set number of X years prior, keeping the overall Floating Timeline quite short. Since 1968, Marvel has operated with this type of sliding-timescale, one that constantly moves—instantly retconning all stories into reference material and ignoring topical references—to keep its shared-multiversial start date perpetually around 15 years prior to current ongoing publications. (Thus, the formula is really is close to every 4 years = 1 year in Marvel Comics.) In contrast, DC’s Floating Timelines always altered origin-points with exact specificity. While indeed “floating” like Marvel’s, they didn’t constantly float. Instead, they’d be editorially moved (sometimes officially but sometimes unofficially) every now and again, and really not that often.

      I think by 2011, DC was ready to float things again, but they decided for an all-out reboot instead. And since Rebirth turned out to be a legit reboot in 2017, DC’s primary continuity hasn’t really been “in-need” of a slide. We know DC isn’t using a sliding-timescale simply because every temporal reference in the Rebirth era seems to indicate that they aren’t.

      In fact, the very existence of my website is the ultimate case study for examining how DC doesn’t do Sliding-Time like Marvel does. I literally couldn’t do what I’ve done here if DC did. 😉

      • Austin Eaton says:

        So if this website was based around a Marvel character, how different would it be formatted?

        • It would merely be a “reading order list.” And summaries wouldn’t make mention of any dates, specificity, or topical/seasonal references. Basically, you couldn’t even begin to accurately gauge things year-to-year, season-through-season. It’s hard enough making sense of the history of the Robins in the various DCU chronologies, but it’s truly impossible for Marvel’s youth (Franklin Richards is the prime example), at least in regard to creating a timeline that has very specific dates.

  12. Antonio says:

    Hey Collin, Antonio here…
    Ok… what’s your feeling about Doomsday Clock now that’s coming close to an end? It just seems to me like a missed opportunity by Johns. The incredible delay from issue to issue didn’t help, but overall it just felt like a big mess to me.
    Plus… given what is currently happening to Lex on Justice League… how can that be related to what is happening in DClock? I mean… at this point, with all the Totality and stuff, Luthor should be well aware of alternate timelines, Manhattan and everything else.
    I don’t know… it seems like DClock is happening farther into the future than 2019… bah!

    What do you think is gonna happen in the last issue? Clark punching Manhattan, forcing him (or making him understand) to undo whay he’s done and… bam… what happens? Another reboot? The Kents are alive..? What?

    P.S.: I’ve heard rumors of a “Black Batman” in 2020… do you know anything about it?

    • I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I truly enjoy Doomsday Clock and think it is one of the better titles that DC has had going recently. Fifty years ago DC’s characters discovered the multiverse, and they are finally discovering the metaverse. Pretty interesting (and novel) stuff. Now, the delays hurt. That’s undeniable. “Rebirth” as a legitimate reboot hurts too. Doomsday Clock is the perfect response to the New 52. The problem is: It’s merely an okay response to the Rebirth Era—and we are in the Rebirth Era now, not the New 52.

      A couple years ago, Dan DiDio and Jim Lee put a moratorium on using the Legion or JSA in any capacity until Doomsday Clock ended. Of course, Bendis and Snyder had already been promised they could use the Legion and JSA, respectively. When Doomsday Clock dragged a year—and then two years—past it’s projected solicitation end date, Bendis and Snyder couldn’t (or wouldn’t) hold back their stories any longer. That’s the rumbling on the web, anyway. To me, this is a failure of editorial more than anything else. Let’s get the damn book out on time. Your entire line’s continuity is at stake. You’ve made this arc THE MOST IMPORTANT arc in history, so let’s deliver. And if you fail to deliver on time, so god help you DO NOT allow your other writers to contradict this story. I repeat, DO NOT ALLOW! I mean, you’ve gone a few years already without the Legion. You can’t wait a few more months? And you’ve gone nearly a decade without the JSA! C’mon. I know the delays are terrible, but just chill and wait, okay?

      So, yeah, things are a mess right now, and I don’t know how they’ll explain things. Luthor has to return to his old life, which means a big status quo shift for him after Justice/Doom War. And, like you said, after both Superman (by Bendis) and Justice/Doom (by Snyder), the existence of the Legion and JSA shouldn’t be a new concept to anyone. So, what does this mean? It means we might have some serious fanwanking to do. Maybe no one will remember parts of Justice/Doom? Maybe it’ll be all about semantics—like the Justice/Doom JSA isn’t the real JSA, merely an alt-Hypertime JSA (which is what they appear to be anyway). This way, the revelation of the JSA having been a part of the true primary timeline’s history still gets to sorta kinda be a big revelation? The introduction of the Legion is truly premature though. Not sure about how they’ll handle that. Maybe they’ll be some alt-Legion too. After all, there were three Legions in the Modern Age. No matter the case, it seems to me that DiDio has really backed himself into a corner here.

      Doomsday Clock #11 (coming out tomorrow) is by far the clunkiest and temporally (chronally?) dubious of the Doomsday Clock issues thus far. And I still have no clue what’ll happen with Doomsday Clock #12. The prospect of another reboot is always there, but I don’t think it’ll necessarily happen. We might get some sort of soft continuity shift à la Infinite Crisis. After all, Johns did that one too.

      And I haven’t heard anything about Black Batman, but I welcome the change!

  13. Antonio says:

    Really? So, you’d like another person being Batman other than Bruce?
    Isn’t that idea a little bit old now?

    I love black characters (John Henry Irons being one of my favourites) but Batman must remain Bruce Wayne.

    Anyway, thank you for your answer about Doomsday Clock and its implications…

  14. Antonio says:

    Hey Collin, Antonio here… Sorry for bothering you once again.
    Ok, Questions.

    Since we witnessed Alfred’s death in COB, and since (pretty much confirmed) rumors say that he will stay dead (and one year from now Bruce will stay home with Selina, will be presumed dead himself by the JL and will be mentoring Luke Fox as the new -oh my God- PERMANENT Batman)… how in the world can Doomsday Clock be possible since Alfred is alive and well?

    Could it be that Doomsday Clock comes BEFORE the events of City Of Bane?

    Plus… I saw that you have put the Deadman/Ras story by Neal Adams in continuity, but don’t you thing that is a bit of a stretch? I mean… we’re talking about Neal Adams here… Has he ever written something canon about Batman in his life? Maybe in the 70’s… but still up for grabs.
    I’d say that story is out of con. Neal is out of con himself 🙂
    But, of course, you know better.
    Thanks.
    P.S.: If Alfred really stays dead… what’s your take on that? I think that’d be the biggest change in a million years. But Alfred is too important of a character for Batman’s life. Like Lois for Superman. I mean… Snyder cutting his hand made people crazy about it… and now King killing him?
    Thank again.

    • You’ve been reading a lot of Bleeding Cool reports, eh? Like I always say, “we’ll see.” I’ll wait until the dust settles before I make any big moves. Time and comics have proven one constant: when you mix Geoff Johns, Dan DiDio, Scott Snyder, and Tom King… you can throw teamwork (i.e. continuity) out the window. And, if we are to believe Bleeding Cool, Alfred’s death wasn’t originally meant to stick—it was supposed to be a Psycho-Pirate mind-trick, nothing but mere illusion. AND THEN the brain trust decided, “hey, let’s actually kill Alfred.” As an afterthought. As a plot device, after the fact.

      Bring on the mess, I guess? And we already have the impatience of an entire publishing staff (combined with Gary Frank’s frustratingly slow-ass illustration) possibly forcing Doomsday Clock earlier, which would mean numerous continuity errors there as well—I’m looking at you Nightwing on Mars. Shouldn’t you be driving a taxi, Ric? Not to mention, shouldn’t Colonel—errr General—Sam Lane be in the hospital? Don’t worry though, I’m here to apply the ultimate fanwanks like I’ve always done. Where there’s nonsense and chaos, there’s sense to be mined, harvested, created, etc… But, like I said, I’d like to see more pieces of the puzzle on the table before I start trying to cram anything together.

      In regard to the madman Neal Adams, who, yes, truly lives on his own parallel universe: My aim when timeline-building has always been to attempt to rationalize everything that gets published onto a chronology—this includes the works of Neal Adams. Now, Odyssey (the ultimate bonkers head-trip) didn’t fit, that’s for certain. The Coming of the Superman… might? Geoff Johns was seemingly a fan of that one. Deadman Vol. 5, which links to Batman vs Ra’s al Ghul directly… who knows. There’s a fair chance I’ll remove Mr. Adams’ entire corpus soon enough. It’s already stretching continuity (and surreality) to the limit. Oh, in case you missed it, Alfred’s in Batman vs Ra’s al Ghul too LOL.

      • Antonio says:

        Yeah I’ve been reading a lot of BC reports 🙂 … and, boy, I hope they are wrong.
        I think, well, I KNOW that killing Alfred would be an incredibly dumb move. You create good stuff with good stories, not by killing main characters as an afterthought, as you said.

        The black Batman would be another example of that: how many times now has Bruce been supposed dead and replaced by another guy? Jean Paul, Dick… Is this something new to work with? Hell no!

        If really Doomsday Clock moves earlier than the current events on the main titles, well, I think DC needs to reconfigure its entire lineup, because that would be a mess nearly impossible to fix.

        We’ll see about the Neal Adams stuff. Still pretty sure you’ll have to remove it from continuity sooner than later.

        I really really hope Alfred doesn’t stay dead and Bruce will still be the one and only Batman. But as you said… those DC guys together in the same room deciding the fate of characters… it’s like having Trump and Johnson in the same room deciding the fate of humanity.
        You just can’t be optimistic about that.

  15. Austin Eaton says:

    I know this is one of those situations where ya gotta be careful with word of mouth and take it with a grain of salt, but Tom King said in a Tweet that in his upcoming Batman/Catwoman maxiseries he’s acting as if Batman: Mask of the Phantasm is canon. My first thought is “How does that work since Batman: Year Two is canon and Mask of the Phantasm is based on it?” Idk. I just figured I’d bring it to your attention.
    https://twitter.com/tomkingtk/status/1175486136514416640?s=21

    • Hey Austin, solicits came out for this a few months ago, I think. Pretty soon everything will be canon—in some way shape or form, of course. There are already like 13 Reapers in canon, so what’s one more LOL? I’m not opposed to canonizing everything (Morrison’s been doing it rather successfully for decades), but I will say there is definitely not that much space left in the early years. Year Zero, Year One, War of Jokes and Riddles, nearly every rogue’s debut, Robin’s training and debut, meeting Superman and WW, and much much more… these things populate Batman’s first two jam-packed years already.

  16. Austin Eaton says:

    Hey Colin, how’s it going? I wanna create my own DC Metaverse timeline so I was wondering if you simply have any recommended Comics to read that would give me some material. You already have a DC Multiverse timeline on Year Fifteen, which is amazing, but I wanna get into even more detail and events. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    • Just confirming, do you mean a TPB/major arc reading list for the entire DCU? I could cook something up for ya.

      Also, did you see Didio showed the pending NEW DCU Timeline at NY Comic Con yesterday? Looks like a MAJOR REBOOT is coming very soon…

  17. Austin Eaton says:

    Yeah, a major arc reading list would be great. Also, the most recent Green Lantern stories involving the history of the Maltusians and stories involving the Old Gods and whatnot. Like how the Witching Hour arc reveals Hecate’s history and Drowned Earth reveals history of Atlantis. I hope the New Timeline is more like a soft reboot, but Wonder Woman being the first superhero is a pretty significant change that’s definitely there just to capitalize off the movies.

    • I’ll see what I draft for you. Please give me a nudge if I haven’t done it in a week or so—my schedule is hella packed this month.

      Back to the new timeline—it looks to be about as soft as a bed of tempered nails. Dick debuts as Robin in Year 3, JL debut is Year 4, Crisis on Infinite Earths is Year 15, Wonder Woman being around as early as WWI, Steph as an ex-Robin again, etc… Also, if we are to believe the new timeline, Batman and Superman will currently be in their 35th active year as of 2020, meaning they’ll both be in their 50s! Is Damian in his late 20s then? I know it hasn’t been officially released yet, but I’m scratching my head here. It doesn’t make sense, so I must be reading it wrongly. In any case, it all seems a bit insane—the very antithesis of what DC should be doing to produce a line that makes cohesive sense.

      Bleeding Cool is also reporting that DC higher-ups are flummoxed about how to handle the Doomsday Clock situation. The entire line was meant to have dovetailed with Doomsday Clock A YEAR AGO. Snyder and Bendis clearly delayed their story-arcs for as long as they could in a vain attempt to give Johns the room he needed, but an extra 12 months was impossible to grant. So instead of having Doomsday Clock reintroduce both the JSA and Legion and then lead directly to Snyder’s use of the JSA and Bendis’ use of the Legion, you have them both moving forward anyway, which now leaves Doomsday Clock in a continuity quagmire. Everyone—Didio, Johns, Snyder, Bendis—shit the bed here. I’m curious to see how they try to reconcile everything. December/January are going to be veeeeeerrry interesting.

      • Austin Eaton says:

        Not to rush you or anything but I was wondering how’s the project you were doing for me going?

        • Hey Austin,

          I haven’t had any time to work on any special projects lately, but I promise I will get to it in the coming weeks. Feel free to give me another nudge if need be.

          Thanks!

          • Austin Eaton says:

            Have you started that project?

            • Hey Austin, thus far, by combing through my site and by cribbing off the amazing resources that are Trade Reading Order and Comic Reading Orders, I’ve assembled a master list of 200 trade paperbacks/essentials from the dawn of Batman up to present day—a “metaverse” list, if you will. If you are looking for a more detailed list with specific arcs/titles, especially in the Golden, Silver, and Bronze eras, let me know. That is going to take a little more work.

              The Batman Chronicles Vol. 1-2
              Batman: The Dark Knight Archives Vol. 1
              Batman Archives Vol. 1-2
              The Batman Chronicles Vol. 3-4
              All Star Comics Archives Vol. 1
              Batman: The Dark Knight Archives Vol. 2-3
              The Batman Chronicles Vol. 5-6
              Batman Archives Vol. 3-4
              The Batman Chronicles Vol. 7-8
              Batman: The Dark Knight Archives Vol. 4-6
              The Batman Chronicles Vol. 9-10
              Batman: The World’s Finest Comics Archives Vol. 1-2
              Batman: The Dark Knight Archives Vol. 7
              Batman Archives Vol. 5-6
              The Robin Archives Vol. 1-2
              Batman In The Forties
              Batman Archives Vol. 7
              World’s Finest Comics Archives Vol. 1-2
              Justice League Of America Archives Vol. 1-3
              The Brave And The Bold Team-Up Archives Vol. 1
              Justice League Of America Archives Vol. 4-5
              Batman: The Dynamic Duo Archives Vol. 1-2
              Showcase Presents: World’s Finest Vol. 1-2
              Showcase Presents: The Justice League of America Vol. 2
              Showcase Presents: Batman Vol. 1
              Crisis on Multiple Earths Vol. 1
              The Brave And The Bold Team-Up Archives Vol. 1
              Showcase Presents: Batman Vol. 1
              The Silver Age Teen Titans Archives Vol. 1
              Justice League Of America Archives Vol. 6-8
              Batman Illustrated by Neal Adams Vol. 1-3
              Batman in The Sixties
              Justice League Of America Archives Vol. 9
              Crisis on Multiple Earths Vol. 2
              Jack Kirby’s Fourth World Omnibus Vol. 1-4
              Deadman: The Deadman Collection
              Showcase Presents: Batgirl
              Batman: The Saga of Ra’s Al Ghul / Tales of the Demon
              Crisis on Multiple Earths Vol. 3-5
              Batman In The Seventies
              Huntress: Dark Knight Daughter
              Batman: Strange Apparitions
              The New Teen Titans Archives Vol. 1-2
              Crisis on Infinite Earths
              Watchmen
              —Batman Year One by Miller/Mazzucchelli
              —Batman & The Monster Men by Wagner
              —Prey by Moench/Gulacy
              —Batman & The Mad Monk by Wagner
              —The Man Who Laughs
              —Shaman by O’Neil/Hannigan
              —The Long Halloween by Loeb/Sale
              —Dark Victory by Loeb/Sale
              —Dark Detective by Englehart/Rogers (aka Strange Apparitions)
              —Justice League International Vol. 1 by Giffen/MacGuire
              —Ten Nights of the Beast
              —Arkham Asylum by Morrison
              —Justice League International Vol. 2
              Millennium
              Invasion
              —Cosmic Odyssey by Starlin/Mignola
              —Killing Joke by Moore/Bolland
              —A Death in the Family by Starlin/Aparo
              —Birth of the Demon
              —Vengeance of Bane
              —Knightfall/Knight’s End
              —JLA: New World Order by Morrison
              —JLA: American Dreams by Morrison
              —JLA: Earth-2 by Morrison/Quitely
              —Cataclysm
              — “No Man’s Land” (the government declares Gotham a wasteland, cut-off from the rest of society)
              — “Bruce Wayne: Murderer/Fugitive” (Bruce is framed for murder)
              — “Hush” (introduction of Hush)
              — “War Games” (crime war involving Black Mask, Stephanie Brown as Robin)
              —Identity Crisis
              —The OMAC Project
              — “Under the Hood” (Jason Todd returns)
              —Infinite Crisis
              — “Black Case Book” (beginning of Grant Morrison run)
              — “Batman and Son” (introduction of Damian aka Bruce’s son with Talia)
              — “Batman RIP” (the final Bruce Wayne story-arc before Final Crisis where he “dies”)
              —Final Crisis
              —Batman & Robin: Batman Reborn
              —The Return of Bruce Wayne
              —Batman Incorporated Vol. 1
              —Batman Incorporated Vol. 2
              Flashpoint
              DC Comics: The New 52
              Batman: Volume 4-5: Zero Year: Secret City/Dark City
              Justice League: Volume 1: Origin
              Batman: Volume 1: The Court of Owls
              Batman: Detective Comics: Volume 1: Faces of Death
              Batwoman: Volume 1: Hydrology
              Batman and Robin: Volume 1: Born to Kill
              Batman: The Dark Knight: Volume 1: Knight Terrors
              Justice League: Volume 2: The Villain’s Journey
              Batman: The Night of the Owls / City of Owls
              Batman: Detective Comics: Volume 2: Scare Tactics
              Batman and Robin: Volume 2: Pearl
              Batman: The Dark Knight: Volume 2: Cycle of Violence
              Justice League: Volume 3: Throne of Atlantis
              Batman: Volume 3: Death of the Family
              Batman and Robin: Volume 3: Death of the Family
              Batman Incorporated: Volume 1-2: Demon Star / Gotham’s Most Wanted
              Batman: Detective Comics: Volume 3: Emperor Penguin
              Batman and Robin: Volume 4: Requiem for Damian
              Batman: The Dark Knight: Volume 3: Mad
              Batwoman: Volume 4: This Blood Is Thick
              Justice League: Trinity War
              Justice League: Volume 4: The Grid
              Forever Evil / Forever Evil: Arkham War
              Batman/Superman: Volume 1: Cross World
              Batman: The Dark Knight: Volume 4: Clay
              Justice League: Volume 5: Forever Heroes
              Batman/Superman: Volume 2: Game Over
              Batman and Robin: Volume 5: The Big Burn
              Batman: Eternal: Volume 1
              Future’s End: Volume 1
              Superman Unchained
              Justice League: Volume 6: Injustice League
              Batman: Volume 6
              Batman/Superman: Volume 3
              Batman: Detective Comics: Volume 6: Icarus
              Batman and Robin: Volume 6: The Hunt for Robin
              Grayson: Volume 1
              Batman: Eternal: Volume 2
              Gotham Academy: Volume 1
              Multiversity
              Justice League of America: Power & Glory
              Batman: Endgame
              We are Robin / Robin War
              Batman: Superheavy
              Justice League: Darkseid War
              Gotham Academy: Volume 2: Second Semester
              Batman/Superman: The Final Days of Superman
              DC Universe: Rebirth
              Batman: The War of Jokes & Riddles
              All-Star Batman: The Cursed Wheel
              Justice League: The Extinction Machines
              Batman: I am Gotham
              Detective Comics: Rise of the Batmen
              Batman: Night of the Monster Men
              Detective Comics: The Victim Syndicate
              Batman: I am Suicide
              Batman: Rooftops
              Trinity: Better Together
              Justice League of America: The Extremists
              Batman: I am Bane
              All-Star Batman: My Own Worst Enemy
              Detective Comics: Batwoman Begins
              All-Star Batman: Ends of the Earth
              Detective Comics: League of Shadows
              Superman Reborn
              Superman: Black Dawn
              Justice League: Legacy
              The Button
              All-Star Batman: The First Ally
              Justice League of America: Panic in the Microverse!
              Detective Comics: Intelligence
              Deathstroke vs Batman
              Detective Comics: A Lonely Place of Living
              Milk Wars
              Batman: Superfriends
              Dark Nights: Metal
              Detective Comics: Fall of the Batmen
              Super Sons of Tomorrow
              Batman: Everyone Loves Ivy
              Detective Comics: Batmen Eternal
              Justice Leauge: The People vs The Justice League
              Justice League of America: Dawn of Time
              Justice Leauge: Justice Lost
              Batman: The Best Man
              Batwoman: Fall of the House of Kane
              Justice League: No Justice
              Detective Comics: On the Outside
              Batman Vol. 3 #50
              Batman: Cold Days
              Batman Universe
              Flash: Flash War
              Heroes in Crisis
              Batman: Beasts of Burden
              Batman/Flash: The Price
              Justice League: Totality
              Justice League/Aquaman: Drowned Earth
              Justice League: Escape from Hawkworld
              Detective Comics: Mythology
              Justice League: The Sixth Dimension
              Event Leviathan
              Justice League: Apex Predator
              The Batman Who Laughs: Laughing House
              Batman and The Outsiders: Lesser Gods
              Detective Comics: Cold Dark World
              Batman/Superman: Who are the Secret Six?
              Batman: The Tyrant Wing
              Batman: Knightmares
              Batman: The Fall and the Fallen
              Batman: City of Bane
              Justice League: Justice/Doom War
              Doomsday Clock

  18. Austin Eaton says:

    Take as much time as you need. The surprising thing about the timeline to me is if Superman and Batman do end up in their 50s since DC has always been against their characters aging. The funny thing about Doomsday Clock is I’m trying to remain hopeful it’ll still have big consequences, which is very appropriate since a part of the story is hope vs pessimism.

  19. Antonio says:

    Well, it appears the definitive timeline will be split into 4 Generations. Superman and Batman debuted in Generation 2. Go figure…

    Collin, I can’t see the Neal Adams crazy stuff on the timeline anymore… did you eventually remove it? Also Batman vs TMNT III… did you move it back on the timeline?

    Thank you.

    • Yeah, sure smells like a major reboot. Interesting times ahead.

      I removed the Neal Adams stuff (Deadman and Ra’s vs Batman) for now. Although, the latest issue implies that Batman is stuck in some sort of hallucinogenic magick simulation while there are multiple doppelgängers of the Bat-Family running loose. Not that this leans us any closer to canon. After all, this is bonkers to the max Neal Adams shit here. I’d love to add this Adams’ run back in, but I won’t force a square peg into a round hole.

      Batman/TMNT III got moved back to a place where the Bat-Family was still all chill with one another, where Nightwing was actually Nightwing, and where Tim was still RED Robin.

      • Antonio says:

        It looks like DC is trying to implement the idea that “everything is canon”. So, Golden Age is canon, Silver Age is canon, Bronze Age is canon… and so on. Morrison did pretty much the same with his Batman’s run.
        I don’t necessarily dislike the idea, but having both Clark and Bruce in their mid 50’s seems a bit of a stretch. And, furthermore, I don’t like when a timeline becomes to compressed.
        We’ll see.
        Certainly I want Alfred back. Still think that this is going to be a huge mistake, like splitting Lois & Clark in the new 52.
        No Clark without Lois. No Bruce without Alfred.

        With the new “4 Generations” timeline coming soon and the new Batman approaching (oh my God) you could make a highly definitive timeline… God help you! :-))))

  20. Antonio says:

    Sorry for posting so much Collin and bothering you… but if Doomsday Clock is to be considered as out of con, how do we explain now what happened to Jor-El? Who took him before the explosion of Krypton? And that’s just one of the million questions one could ask out of Johns’s book.
    The new 52 timeline is not even worth mentioning because they are erasing it completely from any timeline, as if it never happened in any form… that’s what I heard.

  21. diego2024 says:

    Hello Collin!! I was reading the comments and they mention the DC timeline revealed “accidentally” in the New York CC. I read that… and I don’t dislike it, but I definitely don’t love it!! ¿Will it affect your work here if this timeline is declared “official”? for example ¿would there be modifications to the New52 and Rebirh lines, etc? ¿Or will you leave them unchanged?

    • Hey Diego. If a primary universe gets modified to such an extent as is hinted at in Didio’s new timeline, then we’d have to call it a reboot, no? Just like before, I wouldn’t erase any timelines. If it looks like the Rebirth Era is coming to an end come X-mas time (and it certainly does, then that means we’d have to move onto a new timeline. So that will definitely affect my work here. I won’t speculate too much yet, though. We’ll just wait and see…

  22. Austin Eaton says:

    Hey, Colin, how’s it going? Do you know in what specific issue does Bruce reveal to Lucius Fox that he’s Batman?

    • Going well! I’m fairly certain there’s never been an issue where that is shown. In the Silver/Bronze Age, Lucius definitely never knew Batman’s secret ID. In the Modern Age and New 52, it’s not really implied that Lucius knows his secret until Batman Incorporated, and even there it’s pretty vague. The concept of Lucius knowing 100% really comes from the Christopher Nolan films, which also played pretty coy with it. In the Rebirth Era, we get 100% confirmation that Lucius knows Bruce’s secret and has known for a long time in Doomsday Clock #2 & Detective Comics #1015, but these are merely references, not actual scenes.

  23. Antonio says:

    Hey Collin, Antonio here.
    I hope you’re doing well.

    So, what are your final thoughts on Doomsday Clock? And how about Alfred? How come that he was alive and well? Is he gonna stay dead?
    So, Ma and Pa Kent never died?

    Please, help me understand things a little better outta this mess… thank you!

    • Alfred is alive and well because Alfred was never supposed to die. Dan Didio (who has a hard-on for killing beloved characters) made that last second decision last month. Same goes for the death of Sam Lane—although in Lane’s case, it probably has more to do with the extreme delays for Doomsday Clock. I think when this was all originally mapped out, Doomsday Clock was likely supposed to have ended prior to Event Leviathan, “Justice/Doom War,” and the conclusion of Bendis’ “Unity Saga.”

      So, is it one of the biggest continuity messes in DCU history? Unfortunately, yes. Either we ignore Alfred and Sam or they’ve both been resurrected prior to the story. And for those folks still chanting to the heavens that Doomsday Clock is non-canon now—that seems dubious to me. Doomsday Clock is linked to “The Button” and dozens of other stories including Tom King’s epic run that just wrapped. So, I think it’s gotta be canon, no? If it is (or if it isn’t), we’ll soon find out in a few months simply by seeing if the effects of Dr. Manhattan’s reboot have stuck or not. (I say “a few months” because solicitations have shown that most current/ongoing arcs will wrap around March.)

      Overall, I like Doomsday Clock a lot, although I’m not sure it’s better than HBO’s Watchmen sequel. (Both are interesting, to say the least.) I was loving the first eight or nine issues of Doomsday Clock, but I think things dipped off towards the very end. The final issue, which was filled with powerful moments galore, was truly undercut by things that have happened in the DCU lately in other titles. Sure, the JSA in Snyder’s books is a “Hypertime JSA” with no history on Earth-0 and Bendis’ Legion is a “future only” team that never helped shape teenage Clark—but the fact that we see any versions of the JSA or Legion prior to Doomsday Clock #12 certainly didn’t contribute to creating excitement in moments they appear in the latter.

      We all knew that Doomsday Clock #12 would end with a hope-filled reboot, and it did. I even called what would happen to Comedian nearly two years ago LOL. I’m all for some predictability in storytelling because predictability is not always a bad thing—it can mean delivering what makes sense (or what people want) as opposed to doing something random just to subvert expectations. (This is why, for example, IMO, The Mandalorian works but Last Jedi doesn’t.) However, Watchmen is so so complex, far more so than Star Wars, which sort of pushes Watchmen into a territory where it begs and beckons for the most complex narrative possible if one is continuing the story. This is partly what makes the Doomsday Clock ending interesting and difficult to digest upon first reading, especially when we compare to the other sequel on TV. HBO’s Watchmen is way less predictable and mega-super upends expectations through-in and through-out, right up to the last episode. And, as I said, above, maybe it’s better because it never attempts to simplify things or reduce things. But then again, maybe it’s not, or maybe it’s a different beast entirely. Doomsday Clock was intensely complex for the first ten issues or so, but then swung into its more predictable hope-filled Superman-fueled narrative. But I think this was done purposefully—as Johns was shaping that dark Watchmen-style complexity into the simpler hope-filled superhero world(s) of yesteryear. I do like the one big subversion of expectations we get in Doomsday Clock #12, though, that Manhattan and Superman never fight—that’s a nice little twist.

      There’s a lot to process, and a lot to figure out in regard to this website. I’m sure I’ll have more to say in the near future.

  24. diego2024 says:

    Hi, Collin. It’s finally December 18th! I was thinking… Bane City is over and J/D War is close to having the same destiny. In this fictional year of 2019 would ¿Doomsday Clock be located then between October and November? Because it must be located after everything I’ve mentioned. Year of the Villain ¿when did it start? ¿March/May approximately? I think so only because of its publication date. I honestly have no other reason. Event Leviathan happens practically at the same time, but concludes earlier. The Firestorm incident happens in June (I think that’s too soon)… but in #9 it seems like we’re in a winter without SNOW and a temperature that doesn’t need coats in USA.

    • I wouldn’t look for topical clues in Doomsday Clock, nor would I in the pages of Justice League either. In one issue it’s clearly winter, then it looks like summer the next. I’d argue that all seasonal references on either title should be summarily ignored. Detective Comics is said to be squarely in winter, so we might want to start there as a late 2019 anchor. If we are keeping Doomsday Clock on the timeline—which we are—then it should likely come at the end of all current arcs, some of which (“Hell Arisen”) won’t end for a few months. Maybe then, we’ll be able to figure out more specific dates, seasons, months of the year, etc. Keep an eye out, I’ll likely split Year 17 into to halves as I’ve done with the prior years.

      • diego2024 says:

        Thank you very much for your immediate response. Yes, while writing my comment I thought it was “extreme” to use seasonal references. Unfortunately, I had no other clues. Besides, honestly, I had completely forgotten Hell Arisen (my bad!!). I’ll be watching the changes in year 17 of this fantastic chronology!!

  25. Antonio says:

    Thank you Collin.
    We’ll see.

    Thank yoy for your incredibly good work and effort on this phenomenal website.

  26. Tari says:

    Hi I’m just wondering if/when you’ll start looking into adding a new tab for the new post-Doomsday Clock 2020 timeline? It is a different timeline now right? And I guess it’s useful to know that it may last until the end of 2025 too. It still doesn’t line up exactly with the pre-flashpoint timeline, but hopefully it borrows heavily from that.

    Anyway this site is a great resource. I’ve been using it to construct a visual pre-flashpoint timeline from the beginning of time to the end of time. With a few wishful thinking things labelled in red: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/3oz8YD

    • Hi Tari! Thanks for your patronage. I was checking our your ArtStation site—some pretty incredible work, and quite a timeline you’ve built. Very interesting speculation as to what the future holds for the DCU. Thanks so much for sharing!

      In regard to a post-Doomsday Clock timeline, are we there yet? That remains to be seen, especially since DC doesn’t advertise reboots or call attention to them the way they did 20 or 30 years ago. Most current arcs will wrap around March, so by then we’ll either see (or have seen) evidence of a brand new radically-altered DCU or they’ll just ignore everything that Johns has done in Doomsday Clock. Of course, I don’t think the latter will happen. After all, Doomsday Clock was what everything has been leading up to for the past few years. I think the coming months will round-out all the narrative threads that are ongoing and then we’ll really see a post-Doomsday Clock multiverse. But, you never know. “Rebirth” happened rather quickly and out-of-the blue, so maybe this’ll be similar. The next few weeks and months of comics should be interesting.

      I think that the reboot ushered-in by Doomsday Clock certainly warrants a new “Age/Era” tab on my website, but whether or not I will venture down that rabbit hole also remains to be seen.

  27. Frank says:

    Hi Collin! I hope you are well! 😉

    I wanted to ask you a question about your summary on Doomsday Clock 12: After the events between Superman and Dr Manhattan at the beginning of the episode, you say that “Dr Manhattan also sees an existing version from the old chronology of the modern era on Earth-1985 and an existing version of the old chronology from the New 52 on Earth-52. ”

    concretely what does this mean for you?

    Are these the same lands that disappeared after Crisis on infinites Earths and Flashpoint return or are they similar lands?

    We had discussed one day on this subject and you told me that Convergence had tried to achieve the same thing but had failed because of serious problems of continuity that this created and made the thing impossible or even obsolete.

    What about this time? do you have a theory?

    Sincerely

    Frank

    • A theory about Doomsday Clock? LOL, don’t open up that can of worms! Ok, I’ll bite. In giving them clear numbers, I think there’s distinction here that these are new Earths/Universes. We are still operating with the Local Multiverse map of Earths 0 through 52. There’s already an Earth-52, created by Scott Snyder in Metal. It is home to the Primate Justice League, but I think this action might have now merged their world with a version of the New 52. In any case, bearing the designation of “52” seems to place it within the confines of the Local Multiverse. Earth-1985, on the other hand, with it’s designation way up in the 1900s, seems to be way out in the fringes of the greater omniverse. But, to get back to addressing your question, Universe-52 and Universe-1985 cannot be THE New 52 and THE Modern Age, respectively. They are merely copies. And, the nice thing here (as opposed to the mess from Convergence) is that Johns is deliberately vague as a means of implying that these are definitely not the originals. In fact, if we go by how Johns has handled similar things in his own writing before (Infinite Crisis, for example), then we can even make a further assumption that these new Earths are not the originals, but merely reflect the originals.

      Thanks for the inquiry, Frank! Seems worth adding this discussion as a footnote too.

  28. Frank says:

    thank you for your clear answer Colin. For the occasional CD player that I am, it is not always easy to spot in the middle of different universes. among others here is an excerpt from an article dedicated to Doomsday clock 12 on comicbook.com which made me ask you the question because from what I understand from the article now at each Crisis a version of the Earth ( the original version?) will be preserved. What to be a little lost lol

    Sincerely Frank

    https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/12/18/watchmen-doomsday-clock-12-rewrites-the-dc-multiverse/

    “Instead, in Doomsday Clock we learn that the “metaverse” idea — reality bending around Superman — did not result in alternate timelines until the Silver Age of comics because it wasn’t until Barry Allen was struck by lightning that the multiverse was born. Per the issue, it was the birth of the Speed Force and a second Flash that gave birth to Earth-2, home of the Justice Society of America and the original Superman. Even with the merged history restored at the end of Doomsday Clock and the JSA and others restored to their rightful place in DC’s main timeline, Earth-2 exists so that the Golden Age versions of Superman, Batman, and other heroes can be there, undisturbed by changes in the era. After the birth of the multiverse, each new iteration of Superman would spin off a new DC Universe into a new Earth, allowing every generation’s Superman (and every generation’s DC Universe) to remain alive out there, somewhere.
    Two examples given are Earth-1985, where the pre-Crisis on Infinite Earths verison of Earth-1 lives on…and Earth-52, where the world Doctor Manhattan manipulated into being remains vibrant, unchanged by the events of Rebirth. The issue also teases the birth of Earth-5G, which sounds like it will be another take on the history where Superman and other heroes are repalced by younger and more diverse versions of themselves. that it will have its own Earth and not be intended as a permanent replacement for the DC Universe as it exists is likely a way to help fans adjust to such a world, something that Marvel learned (with their Marvel NOW! initiative) can be a tough adjustment for old school fans”

    • Thanks for sharing this article, hadn’t read it before this. With all of this stuff, it boils down to semantics. The quote “…allowing every generation’s Superman (and every generation’s DC Universe) to remain alive out there, somewhere” kinda sounds a lot like Hypertime to me. Nothing is every truly lost. “Nothing ends, Adrian. Nothing ever ends.” Ouroboros.

      It’s up to the reader, as it is with all superhero comics, to really decide. If you were to truly believe that the original Golden Age timeline (or Modern Age timeline) is still active, go ahead and play that game—it’ll be a losing effort, I guarantee it. Retcons are a thing, sure. But they affect fiction. You can’t re-write actual history. Not even Doc Manhattan has that power (at least I don’t think he does, gulp).

      When these eras of yesteryear are shown (as Johns is wont to do because he PASSIONATELY LOVES yesteryear), they aren’t meant to fuck with old timelines. Based upon things Johns has said and works he’s published, Johns holds those old timelines in glass cases atop gold-plated pedestals. They are relics to be revered and worshipped, but not etched-into or re-worked. A fine replica will do when it comes to molding something new out of old.

      Convergence (sorry to always go back to Convergence) was the equivalent of visiting the museum and then pulling Starry Night off the wall and trying to paint overtop of it. Bad idea. Thankfully, museum officials had some decent art restorers to return it to its former Van Gogh-lory.

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