A Hypercriticism: Continuity Errors of the New Age (Part 2)

Don’t forget, this list contains errors that are related directly to Batman comics, not the entire New 52 line. Some of these get a bit nitpicky down the list, but hey, if you get specific with dates and times in your comics, odds are those specific things are going to bite you in the ass later. And I’m sure Jonni DC would argue that an error is an error no matter how big or small!

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26. In Batman & Robin Vol. 2 #2 (Writer Peter Tomasi, Editors Eddie Berganza, Katie Kubert, Harvey Richards, Mike Marts), Dick is said to have been Batman for nearly a full year. However, in order to be able to fit all of the Robins into the shortened and compressed New 52 timeline, the very longest Dick could have been Batman is only a mere NINE MONTHS!

27. Nightwing Vol. 3 #1 (Writer Kyle Higgins, Editors Katie Kubert, Bobbie Chase) also insinuates that Dick was Batman for nearly a full year. These early references to the “nearly a year” surely were the initial intention of DC editors immediately following the reboot, but as things developed over the course of 2011-2014, things clearly made it so that would prove to be impossible.

28. Batgirl Vol. 4 #1-9 and continued issues (Writer Gail Simone, Editors Eddie Berganza, Katie Kubert, Bobbie Chase), tell us that Babs’ full recovery from paralysis occurs almost exactly three years after becoming paralyzed. This is wrong. In order to jibe with the length of Robin “internships” and the shortened and compressed New 52 timeline, the longest Babs could have been out of action is ONE YEAR and SEVEN MONTHS. This also has to be true because Babs must debut before her other various appearances that occur throughout this year. The overall contributor to this major problem is that Simone delivers specific information seemingly without regard to the fact that other writers use Batgirl (chronologically) before she does. When Simone says “three years of paralysis, 3 years ago” in Batgirl #1, she is writing from December 2012, which is exactly “2 YEARS of paralysis, 2 YEARS AGO.” Either Simone messed-up and said “3 years” instead of “2 years” OR she messed-up by not realizing that other writers would insert Batgirl into continuity prior to her use of the character.

29. Batgirl Vol. 4 #1-7 (Writer Gail Simone, Editors Eddie Berganza, Katie Kubert, Bobbie Chase) also places Babs’ recovery and return to costume not long before a Christmas holiday. However, the Christmas setting cannot be reconciled on any correct New 52 timeline. We cannot place Batgirl #4-6 around X-Mas 2012 as it was intended by Simone et al (because that would be too late, ignoring Batgirl’s various other appearances), NOR can we even place these Batgirl issues around X-Mas 2011 either (because these issues make references to Bruce’s gentrification project, which would be premature since Bruce’s gentrification project isn’t introduced until 2012). Therefore, there is no way the first six or seven issues of Batgirl can actually happen before or near ANY X-Mas time at all.

30. Batgirl Vol. 4 #28 (Writer Gail Simone, Editors Bobbie Chase, Katie Kubert, Mike Marts) states outright that Batgirl #1 through Batgirl #28 comprises a mere “few month” time period. This is INSANE. I’ve read the stories and done the chronological math. From Batgirl #1 through Batgirl #28, at least a FULL YEAR (minimum twelve months) pass. We’ve already been forced to ignore the bogus Christmas setting, but imagine for a second if we do regard the holidays as a canonical backdrop (as Simone and company intended). That would mean definitively that Batgirl #1 through Batgirl #28, by Simone’s OWN INTERNAL LOGIC, should span even much longer than a full calendar year, possibly even TWO YEARS! “A few months?” No way, Jose.

31. Detective Comics Vol. 2 #1 (Writer Tony Daniel, Editors Eddie Berganza, Katie Kubert, Janelle Asselin, Mike Marts), which happens in early 2012, tells us that Joker has been responsible for various murders over the course of SIX YEARS. Of course, this should read “five years” instead of “six” since Joker doesn’t debut until 2007. UPDATE: This item is not an error. Detective Comics #1‘s “six year” reference includes Joker’s time masquerading as the Red Hood for a year prior to becoming the Clown Prince of Crime.

32. In Batman: The Dark Knight Vol. 2 #2 (Writers Paul Jenkins, David Finch, Editors Eddie Berganza, Rickey Purdin, Mike Marts) Alfred makes reference to Game 5 of the World Series, but it isn’t that time of year.

33. Hawk & Dove Vol. 3 #6 (Writer Rob Liefeld, Editors Eddie Berganza, Rickey Purdin, Rachel Gluckstern) takes place in 2012 and features the brutish hulking Blockbuster. However, Blockbuster’s New 52 origin/debut seemingly occurs in 2013—in The Savage Hawkman #19-20, which happens shortly after Justice League of America Vol. #5. (Simon Baz isn’t formally introduced to the JLA lineup until JLofA Vol. 3 #5, yet in The Savage Hawkman #20, Baz is already with the team and has been introduced to everyone).

34. The second feature from Detective Comics Vol. 2 #12 (Writer James Tynion, Editors Bobbie Chase, Katie Kubert, Harvey Richards, Mike Marts) has the GCPD incorrectly state Joker’s kill-count, putting it at over 300 as of late 2012. Detective Comics #1-4 listed his kill count at 114 only one year prior.

35. Batman: The Dark Knight Vol. 2 #10-15 (Writer Gregg Hurwitz, Editors Eddie Berganza, Bobbie Chase, Rickey Purdin, Mike Marts) is a Christmas/New Year’s tale that runs roughly from December 22-31. However, like most holiday themed tales in the New 52, these issues contradict other stories to such a degree that we unfortunately have to completely ignore their holiday-ness. Such is the case with this arc because Dark Knight #10-15 has to take place before the following “Death of the Family” and connected Batman Incorporated Vol. 2, both of which occur at the end of 2012/beginning of 2013 in order for things down the line to make sense.

36. Red Hood & The Outlaws #26 (Writer James Tynion, Editors Bobbie Chase, Rickey Purdin, Eddie Berganza) incorrectly tells us that Jason’s resurrection and start of his training happened “one year ago.” Since RH&TO #26‘s in-story narrative occurs in 2013, that means “one year ago” has to be 2012. However, this not only leaves us zero time to fit in Jason’s All Caste/League of Assassins post-resurrection trainings, but it also directly contradicts Red Hood & The Outlaws #2 (written by Scott Lobdell), which tells us that when Jason gets resurrected as a mindless zombie, his Lazarus bath quickly follows, which is in turn quickly followed by the start of his trainings. Red Hood & The Outlaws #2 also tells us that Jason was resurrected and started his training “a year-and-a-half ago.” Since RH&TO #2‘s in-story narrative occurs in 2012, that makes “a year-and-a-half-ago” to be (correctly) in 2010—giving us plenty of time to fit in the training sessions.

37. Red Hood & The Outlaws #17 (Writer Scott Lobdell, Editors Bobbie Chase, Darrin Shan, Eddie Berganza) shows Jason reflecting upon his recent time as the Wingman of Batman Incorporated, mentioning Damian’s time as Redbird from Batman Incorporated Vol. 2 #3-4. However, this is a massively huge continuity error that forces the reader to assume not only that Damian dresses in the Redbird costume before Batman Inc #3 (since it runs continuously until Damian’s death in issue #8), but also that that is what Jason is referring to. In any scenario, there is no way Jason can be referencing Batman Incorporated Vol. 2 #4 (as the editor’s note specifically implies) since it takes place after this issue!

38. In a flashback from Detective Comics Vol. 2 #14 (Writer John Layman, Editors Bobbie Chase, Mike Marts, Harvey Richards, Katie Kubert), Damian specifically says something about Joker’s “recent attack on the GCPD.” The attack he mentions, of course, is definitely more than just “recent.” It was the previous night.

39. Detective Comics Vol. 2 #18 (Writer John Layman, Editors Bobbie Chase, Katie Kubert, Mike Marts), a post-Damian death “Requiem” issue, has to go later than most of the other “Requiem” issues because the Bat-Family clearly isn’t illegal/outlawed in it. Unfortunately, ‘tec #18 is paradoxically otherwise written as if it goes right with the other “Requiem” issues.

40. All post-Damian death “Requiem” issues (Executive Editor Bobbie Chase) occur during a gap in Batman Incorporated Vol. 2. Note that Batman has a beat-up hamburger face from fighting, but Batman is not drawn with those injuries in any “Requiem” issues. Artists, not at fault, were probably not told to draw Bruce that way by editorial. Bruce does use makeup to mask his injuries (as we see him do in Batman Inc #9, Part 2), which might give an excuse for this flub, but I’m not quite buying that.

41. Batman Incorporated Vol. 2 #1 (Writer Grant Morrison, Artist Chris Burnham, Editors Eddie Berganza, Rickey Purdin, Brian Smith, Mike Marts) shows the flash-forward to after Damian’s death, but fails to show Bruce’s facial injuries that will be present when the scene repeats later on. It is possible that Morrison and Burnham opted to do this purposefully in order to hide the future results of their story, but this seems unlikely.

42. The Bane section of Detective Comics Vol. 2 #19 (Writer James Tynion, Editors Bobbie Chase, Mike Marts, Katie Kubert) has a glaring continuity error. Via flashback, ‘tec #19 shows that Bane was en route to attack Gotham, but a bunch of Talons stopped him claiming that “a night of owls is about to descend.” The same flashback continues, showing Bane later fighting Batman in Dark Knight #7. This ostensibly tells us that the “Night of Owls” (including the tie-in issue of Dark Knight #9) occurs before Bane’s last fight with Batman in Dark Knight #7. This is impossible since issue #9 cannot happen before issue #7.

43. Detective Comics Vol. 2 #21 (Writer John Layman, Editors Bobbie Chase, Katie Kubert, Mike Marts) is said to take place “one week after Batman Vol. 2 #18” and “two days before the death of Natalya in Batman: The Dark Knight Vol. 2 #20.” Two days prior to Natalya’s death seems right on the money, but “one week” after Batman #18 should be amended closer to “two weeks” in order to accommodate other stories.

44. Batman: The Dark Knight Vol. 2 #21, Epilogue (Writer Gregg Hurwitz, Editors Bobbie Chase, Mike Marts, Darren Shan) tells us that Bruce decides to hang up the Batman boots for a full month after Natalya dies. There’s no way the compressed New 52 timeline will allow for that and still work with every thing else. Batman can be out-of-action for three weeks tops.

45. A flashback from Batwing #20 (Writers Jimmy Palmiotti, Justin Gray, Editors Bobbie Chase, Darren Shan, Mike Marts, Rachel Gluckstern) supposedly occurs around one month prior to Batwing #20, but in order to accommodate other stories featuring Batman, it has to be more like three weeks.

46. The main action of Detective Comics Vol. 2 Annual #2, Part 1 (Writers John Layman, Joshua Williamson, Editors Bobbie Chase, Mike Marts, Katie Kubert) supposedly takes place one week after Jane Doe’s appearance in the flashback from the very same issue. However, in order to accommodate other stories, the most time that could have passed since then is a mere few days.

47. In Superman Unchained #2 (Artist Jim Lee, Editors Bobbie Chase, Matt Idelson, Chris Conroy) Lex Luthor is incorrectly drawn without his pre-Forever Evil scarred-face look.

49. Batwing #24 (Writers Jimmy Palmiotti, Justin Gray, Editors Bobbie Chase, Darren Shan, Mike Marts, Rachel Gluckstern) shows a cell phone that gives us the dates October 5-7, but it should correctly be May in order to jibe with the other stories in the Bat line.

50. Catwoman Vol. 4 #18 (Writer Ann Nocenti, Editors Bobbie Chase, Rickey Purdin, Darren Shan, Rachel Gluckstern, Mike Marts) is a “Requiem” issue written as if it is occurs immediately after “Death of the Family.” This issue takes place both a few days before Batman and… #22 (“Batman & Catwoman”) and right before the debut of the JLA, which therefore actually places it around five-and-a-half months after “Death of the Family.”

51. Batman/Superman Annual #1 (Writer Greg Pak, Editors Bobbie Chase, Rickey Purdin, Eddie Berganza) incorrectly mentions the death of Superboy, which if true, would have made it officially post-Forever Evil, during which Kon-El dies and becomes briefly reincarnated as the cosmic Herald of Oracle (in the Forever Evil Teen Titans tie-ins). However, Batman/Superman Annual #1 acts as a direct follow-up to the previous Batman/Superman #7 AND goes before the equally problematic Superman/Wonder Woman #3-7 arc that features Warworld in the Phantom Zone (where Warworld winds up in this very issue). So, the premature reference to Superboy’s death is WRONG!

52. Superman/Wonder Woman #3-5 (Writer Charles Soule, Editors Bobbie Chase, Eddie Berganza, Rickey Purdin) uses an incorrect topical reference—stores are dressed for Christmas and Wonder Woman gives Superman an “early” X-mas present. Unfortunately, in order for other stories to fit in 2013, these issues can be set in early July at the latest.

53. Superman/Wonder Woman #3 (Writer Charles Soule, Editors Bobbie Chase, Eddie Berganza, Rickey Purdin) contains an editor’s note that supposedly places it “before the Justice League learns of the ARGUS Counter Strike Team.” Since “the ARGUS Counter Strike Team” simply means “the Justice League of America before its public debut,” we must ignore this note. The JLA has already publicly debuted at this point.

54. In the “Trinity War” prelude issue of Justice League Vol. 2 #19 (Writer Geoff Johns, Editors Bobbie Chase, Kate Durré, Brian Cunningham), Batman surprises the Superman and Wonder Woman by revealing that he knows about their developing sexual relationship. Because of the internal narrative of Superman/Wonder Woman #3-5, “Trinity War” must happen after Superman/Wonder Woman #1-7 (not including the Superman: Doomed prelude that forms the second half of issue #7), during which the entire world learns about Superman and Wonder Woman’s relationship. There would be NO surprising the Big Two with anything. This is a HUGE error.

55. Nightwing Vol. 3 #29 (Writer Kyle Higgins, Editors Bobbie Chase, Darren Shan, Rachel Gluckstern, Mike Marts) occurs right before Forever Evil. Dick’s cell phone says November 9, but it must actually be in EARLY JULY.

56. There is a flashback splash page in Justice League of America Vol. 3 #14 (Writer Matt Kindt, Editors Bobbie Chase, Rickey Purdin, Eddie Berganza) that depicts an image that never happened during Forever Evil. It shows a ton of heroes and villains engaged in battle, but it is riddled with continuity impossibilities. This scene could represent the horrible digital world that ensnared Stargirl and the rest of the heroes stuck inside Firestorm’s matrix during the crisis. But that is a bit of a stretch. We could also regard it as Stargirl’s imagination of what Forever Evil must have looked like based upon Steve Trevor’s estimated version of events, but that would also be a stretch as well.

57. Detective Comics Vol. 2 Annual #3 (Writer Brian Buccellato, Editors Bobbie Chase, Mark Doyle, Rachel Gluckstern, Matt Humphreys) tells us that the date is supposedly October 9-10, which is totally incorrect. In order for other items to fit neatly later on, we must be in summertime, specifically around mid July.

58. Batman: The Dark Knight Vol. 2 #26-27 (Writer Gregg Hurwitz, Editors Bobbie Chase, Mike Marts, Darren Shan) has an incorrect Christmastime setting. I’ve moved it back two years so that it can keep that setting—(this was possible because the story is very one-shotty and can literally go just about anywhere). However, this use of topical reference counts as an error because it was likely not the author/editor’s intention to have these issue occur years prior.

59. Batman Eternal #14-20 (Writers James Tynion, Scott Snyder, Ray Fawkes, John Layman, Tim Seeley, Kyle Higgins, Editors Bobbie Chase, Mark Doyle, Katie Kubert, Matt Humphreys, Chris Conroy, Dave Wielgosz) has a side-arc involving Jim Corrigan and Batwing investigating Arkham, which simply IS NOT AT PACE with the rest of the Eternal arcs. They enter Arkham in Batman Eternal #6. Four days pass until we see them again in Batman Eternal #14. By Batman Eternal #18, a storyline three days later, the duo is still trapped underneath Arkham and Batman still hasn’t followed-up on or assisted with their investigation despite having ventured to the Underground with Bard and Croc himself! Even now, having gotten to issue #29 of the weekly series, the whole Corrigan/Batwing arc seems to have gotten lost in the messy shuffle. This pacing is so shitty it reeks of continuity error.

60. In Batman Eternal #21 (Writers James Tynion, Scott Snyder, Ray Fawkes, John Layman, Tim Seeley, Editors Bobbie Chase, Mark Doyle, Matt Humphreys), Harvey Bullock inexplicably says that Jim Gordon and Jack Forbes both went to jail within a span of “some months,” which makes absolutely no sense and cannot be reconciled in any way given that the whole of Batman Eternal‘s in-story narrative has only occurred in one single month and has only taken up just over three weeks at the point where Bullock says this line.

61. Also in Batman Eternal #21 (Writers James Tynion, Scott Snyder, Ray Fawkes, John Layman, Tim Seeley, Editors Bobbie Chase, Mark Doyle, Matt Humphreys), Batman says that his associates have “just found” Falcone’s knife, a scene that actually occurred two weeks prior (in Batman Eternal #20) based upon information given in this very same issue #21.

62. In Forever Evil #1 (Writer Geoff Johns, Artist David Finch, Editors Bobbie Chase, Brian Cunningham, Kate Durré), Glider is shown among the mass of super-villains that attend the large Crime Syndicate meeting. Glider could not possibly have attended due to happenings in other comics. Other sites have noted that Clayface (who is also shown) could not have attended either (as per events that unfold in Clayface #1). This is true about Clayface Basil Karlo, but the Clayface shown in the gathering scene is not Basil Karlo—this is Clayface II, the “Clayface of Japan!” Glider, however, must still be an error.

63. The timing of Batgirl Vol. 4 #24-33 (Writer Gail Simone, Editors Bobbie Chase, Mike Marts, Katie Kubert, Mark Doyle, Matt Humphreys) is way way off and cannot be reconciled. This is linked to previous Batgirl errors on our list, but merits its own notation. Here’s what’s up. Batgirl #33 specifically takes place after James Junior meets with dad in Blackgate in Batman Eternal #13. However, Batgirl #33 takes place right after Batgirl #32. The problem here is that Simone and her editors tell us that the linked Batgirl #32-33 occurs roughly TEN DAYS after Batgirl #24, in which Jim Gordon shoots Ricky Gutierrez. This is nuts. Batgirl #24 is a part of the “Wanted Arc” that is linked to Batgirl #23, which occurs at the latest way back months prior. Specifically, this means Batgirl #32-33 must be at minimum AROUND THREE-AND-A-HALF MONTHS after Ricky gets shot. Definitely NOT ten days.

 

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So, who are the overall worst offenders in regard to continuity in the New 52 (Batman line only)? Again, DiDio, Lee, and Harras bear the burden of every listed number based upon their positions with the company. But it’s Bobbie Chase, Mike Marts, Eddie Berganza, and Katie Kubert that seem to have had the most problems. Bear in mind this is not necessarily indicative of poor editing. Some of these things are minor gaffes barely worth mentioning—but others are big big ones that probably should have and could have been prevented. Who is to say if these teams are doing the best job they can do when dealing with such a large amount of published material week to week? Chase et al basically executive edited the past three years of the entire Bat-line. That’s no easy task. Could Chase and company have done better? Maybe they could have done a lot worse!

In regard to writers that have committed the most authorial no-nos, James Tynion, John Layman, Kyle Higgins, and Grant Morrison have erred the most. Despite this, their errors don’t usually seem to be that huge (with some exceptions, of course). On the other hand, Gail Simone, Geoff Johns, Peter Tomasi, and Scott Snyder err less, but I find that their errors are much more glaring and egregious.

Naturally, the editors, writers, and artists that have worked on less issues have much fewer errors.

 

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that's all folks!

About Collin Colsher

Collin Colsher, the creator of The Real Batman Chronology Project and disCONTINUITY, is a writer, filmmaker, teacher, and comic book historian that currently lives and works in Brooklyn, NY. He has lectured at various universities, libraries, and book fairs. Collin has also served on the jury for the Lynd Ward Graphic Novel Prize, which is sponsored by the US Library of Congress.
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11 Responses to A Hypercriticism: Continuity Errors of the New Age (Part 2)

  1. BatfanReborn says:

    Okay. This one has been bothering me for a while now- the references to Superboy’s death are NOT a continuity error! Although we know that Superboy was plucked from the timeline during time travel shenanigans which start in Forever Evil, Superman and Supergirl believe Superboy to be dead from the Krypton Returns storyline which is before FE. Superboy actually continues on with his life after Psi-War (a prologue to KryptReturns) before meeting with the Teen Titans later but the other 2 Supers are unaware of this.
    Curiously, Superboy was in a position to warn Superman about the upcoming Trinity War but neglected to do so.

    • Bit confused… Here’s what wikipedia says:

      “During the Forever Evil series, the Teen Titans, after a battle with the Crime Syndicate’s Johnny Quick and Atomica, were sent traveling through time, arriving in the alternate future where Jon and Harvest waged war against the metahumans. Here Jon encountered his clone, Kon-El, and the two battled. Kon-El defeated his vicious progenitor, but before he could finish him off, was summoned through time by the Oracle, leading to the ‘Krypton Returns’ story arc. Jon was then recovered and treated by the future versions of Beast Boy and Ravager, who presented him to the Titans as Kon-El. The Titans took Jon with them as they continued time traveling.

      With Kon-El apparently having been killed off in the ‘Krypton Returns’ Superman crossover storyline, Jon takes over as the lead character of the Superboy comic book with issue 26.”

      According to your contradictory version, “Krypton Returns” occurs after Forever Evil #2. Is wiki wrong? Or does “Krypton Returns” really take place after Forever Evil #2?

      I’m going to read these issues and get back to you with my opinion on the matter at hand.

      • Ok, I think I disagree with your line of reasoning.

        Here’s MY scoop on Superboy. In Forever Evil #2, Johnny Quick sends the Teen Titans into an alternate future. In this alternate future, Kon-El eventually fights Jon Lane Kent (in Teen Titans Annual #2). Kon-El gets teleported away from his fight versus Jon by the Oracle, who preps him for the upcoming events of the “Krypton Returns” crossover. (Teen Titans Annual #2 is a direct lead-in to “Krypton Returns.”) Meanwhile, as also seen in Teen Titans Annual #2, the Teen Titans begin their journey home, taking Jon back with them, mistakenly believing him to be Kon-El. Concurrently, Forever Evil concludes. Not long after Forever Evil ends, Superman and Supergirl meet with Kon-El in deep space (in Action Comics Annual #2), which begins “Krypton Returns.” At the end of “Krypton Returns,” Kon-El is killed. While Superman and Supergirl mourn his passing, Kon-El is immediately reincarnated as the cosmic Herald of Oracle. This won’t last long and Kon-El will return as Superboy to quickly reclaim his spot with the Titans, replacing the impostor Jon.

        SO, “Krypton Returns,” in which Superboy dies, must happen after Forever Evil, NOT before it. If we were to move Batman/Superman Annual #1 to after Forever Evil, we’d also have to move the error-licious Superman/Wonder Woman #3-5 as well since it takes place after Batman/Superman Annual #1.

        Both of these stories, Batman/Superman Annual #1 and the arc from Superman/Wonder Woman #3-5 were written with very little editorial consultation. They are completely unaware of what the timeline will look like after Forever Evil, so they contain huge problems that cannot be reconciled. I’ve chosen to place them prior to Forever Evil for various reasons that can be read about on my site. If one wants to place them after Forever Evil with just as many (if not more) caveats/asterisks, he or she can feel free to do so (although I wouldn’t recommend it).

        • WAIT! The plot THICKENS. (Or thins, I guess.) Sheesh.

          Action Comics Annual #2 seems to occur immediately after Superman #24, Supergirl #24, and Teen Titans Annual #2. HOWEVER… Superman #24 and Supergirl #24 are definitively pre-Forever Evil stories whereas Teen Titans Annual #2 takes place after Forever Evil #2!!! HELLO CONTRADICTIONS.

          This means, the only way this shit can go down properly (and I apologize if this is what you were originally insinuating with your initial comment) is if the Oracle of the Timeless teleports/collects the the trio from different points on the timeline, allowing them to complete the “Kyrpton Returns” adventure before bringing them back to where they are supposed to be (except for Superboy, of course, cuz he dies). Gahhh. So confusing, but I think it actually works that way.

  2. Continuity in comics has been a huge issue lately, but I think sometimes you have to take stories on their own. Between issues in one instance could be a few days, in others a few months. Between-Issue-Continuity can be a little more fluid than taking into account real time or whatever. It’d be nice to be able to account for real time (and if the editors did their job and mapped it out on paper like the old days) you wouldn’t have this much insanity. It’s weird having Batman Eternal/Arkham Manor coming out concurrent with Batman, Detective Comics, etc. while taking place all at different times, but that’s how we keep getting so damn many Batman books. As much as I’d love to only have to buy a few books a month, it’s fine with me that they want to keep telling great Batman stories. I love Eternal, I love Arkham Manor, and where it could be going, but it’s sad when even Marvel has better continuity (and we all know how convoluted they can be).

    • Thanks for the comment, Chuck. Writing out a list of continuity errors was a BAD idea on my part. Things change. Things that are continuity errors one day become NOT continuity errors the next. Even my own timeline is always changing depending on how writers and editors tackle certain events—which means it’s not fair to list errors as if they are set in stone.

      Making this error list was an experiment on my part, and one that I’ve found to be quite illuminating mostly for the fact that I won’t ever do it again. Obviously, errors must be noted when building a timeline, but errors are a part of timelines, not separate entities that should be poked, prodded, and gawked at separately.

      That being said, I sure do wish that there was a bit more accountability when it came to editing for superhero lines these days. Hopefully one day I’ll be able to look back and make sense of it all a little better.

  3. Singh says:

    For the Joker murders over six years, I’d say just take it as Batman treating whoever was in the Red Hood as the Joker.

    • I thought of that, but I’m pretty sure it is an error on Daniel’s part. In Batman #24, Bruce suspects that the man who becomes Joker replaced Distal as Red Hood One at some point earlier in the year, saying that at most it could have been months ago. “Zero Year” is 2007, which means six years would be 2013. And yet, Daniel’s story takes place in 2012. In order for your logic to work here, the man who becomes Joker had to have replaced Red Hood One before Bruce even comes back—which is not improbable, but certainly not etched in stone either.

      We have to think rationally and find an answer to the following question… is the first appearance of Red Hood One (from Batman #0/Batman #21) ALREADY the man who becomes Joker?? And if we take Batman’s thoughts from Detective #1 at face value, does this mean he suspects that to be the case as well?

      I’d like to cross this error off the list, and now that I AM thinking critically about the subject, I’m starting to think that Distal has only been seen as a corpse in a barrel full of lye. Sure Distal was the original, as in the one that took over Falcone’s operations, but his secret replacement (the man who becomes Joker) must have replaced him BEFORE Bruce returned to Gotham.

      Or, of course, Scott Snyder really was trying to be vague—(maybe it was Distal right up until the scene before Red Hood falls into the acid). And if so, maybe Daniel just screwed up and said six years because he was thinking “SIX YEARS AGO” as in “YEAR ZERO was SIX YEARS AGO.”

      There is serious debate to be had here, but there really is no clear cut way of knowing.

      • Been scouring the web for more opinions. Snyder definitely wanted Joker’s New 52 origin to be vague (i.e. “multiple choice”) and Daniel probably did say “six years” because of the “six years ago” thing. However, Red Hood seems to have been the same person the whole time, which would lend itself to the theory that Distal was definitely dead before Bruce became Batman. I would go even further and say that Distal was dead before Bruce even returned to Gotham. If this last part is true then Daniel’s error becomes an error no more. I think I’m going to make the change. Thanks Singh!

    • Just had a mega huge realization. Daniel’s “six years” comment is NOT an error. Despite Snyder’s sneakiness in regard to Joker’s origins, he gives us a subtle yet important hint that most people have ignored. In Batman #22, Bruce (before he has become Batman) takes a sample of Red Hood’s blood. Tests come up blank—this Red Hood ain’t a part of any criminal database. Simply put, he is an unknown person. This means that this cannot be Liam Distal, who we are told is a known criminal and who would likely have a long rap sheet. Who is the ultimate mystery villain, the arch-nemesis that has always long had no secret identity? Why, the Joker of course.

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